Pro-gun article

Yes, I can.

The rights in the constitution are enshrined there because of their over arching importance.

Mental Health should be a person's privacy. But now with mandatory reporting and overreaching government interference many who would benefit from counseling are scared to go because of how the government will use that information.

Nobody argues your strawman that "some who if off of medication...". You make it seem like there are no restrictions on getting guns and that any ole person can walk up to a gunshop and by one. That's just not the case.

Not at a gun shop but yes they can ,from a neighbor or even at some gun shows .

How does that work again? <laughing >

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You tell me ,how does the government go about keeping the guns out of the hands of the mentally challenged , without infringing on the 2nd amendment ?

You tell me ,how does the government go about keeping the guns out of the hands of the mentally challenged , without infringing on the 2nd amendment ?

I would imagine it would work in the same way that the elderly or visually impaired are denied driving privileges. How would you make it work?

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I think people would be interested to find out the NRA's stance on mental health and gun owning. I think people should read it.


NRA-ILA | Mental Health and Firearms (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/mental-health-and-firearms.aspx?s=%22mental+health%22&st=&ps=)


Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,” because “elimination of the instrument by which these crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of a psychotic murderer.”[1]

More recently, the NRA has supported legislation to ensure that appropriate records of those who have been judged mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to mental institutions be made available for use in firearms transfer background checks. The NRA will support any reasonable step to fix America’s broken mental health system without intruding on the constitutional rights of Americans.


In recent years, anti-gun lawmakers have introduced legislation to expand the definition of people barred from possessing firearms to include persons who have simply been ordered to receive counseling. This could include a person whose employer or school administrator orders him to receive counseling as a condition of employment or enrollment, regardless of the outcome of such counseling. Similarly onerous legislation has been introduced in some states. At least one attempt has been made to ban gun ownership by anyone with any recognized diagnosis from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders—an outrageously broad standard that would affect the rights of countless Americans.

Well you would have to change some laws and give away some freedoms for public safety and most people are unwilling to do that. I am talking about laws about detaining people against their will for mental health evaluations. Almost every mass shooter lately has been described as troubled or strange by people who knew them. Unfortunately if you are an adult, don't commit a crime or go completely berserk in public nothing can be done to have you mentally evaluated against your will.


You mean most gun owners aren't willing to do that ,them and the NRA .

I think you need to really think about the part he mentioned that I bolded and underlined. Detaining people against their will for mental health evaluations? So who's going to decide that? The government? The local law enforcement? Do you trust those morons and corrupt agencies? We know exactly how this will turn out. "Oh, they are a political enemy or somebody protesting my crimes.....better have them hauled in because I think they are crazy."

No thank you. Absolutely not. It's already to a point where we are becoming more and more of a police state. It won't be just gun owners and the NRA against some bullshit like that.

Again I agree with you but now comes the argument ,if that person has a mental health issue should he be allowed to buy a gun ,it is his 2nd amendment right correct ?


I can't really give you a good answer. It's a slippery slope to say the least. The problem with is the degrees of mental health issues. A depression isn't on the same level as a psychotic schizophrenic, but I'm sure you have legislators that want anybody sent in to see counseling banned from owning a gun. That isn't right. I hate to say it, but I'd much rather have the rare shootings, than to have people's rights trampled on by the government. Even so, more often than not the gun legislation isn't going to stop bad people from doing bad things.

One thing that could go here, or the media thread, is the use of the term Mass Shooting.

When NBC broke in with a live report of a mass shooting at Fort Hood, my mind had a # of dead of 20 like Sandy Hook, but it was 4. I don't mean to belittle those that died in any way.

Still, when you hear terms like mass graves in the holocaust, or other such terms, surely your mind is thinking in large numbers of dead. And I think the media terms them as mass killings to make it more dramatic. Again to use the car fatalities, nearly every day masses of people are killed in automobiles. Why not that term there.

anyway just ranting:(

I think people would be interested to find out the NRA's stance on mental health and gun owning. I think people should read it.


NRA-ILA | Mental Health and Firearms (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/mental-health-and-firearms.aspx?s=%22mental+health%22&st=&ps=)

Lotta lip service. They are certainly not in the fore front pushing for legislation.

Like I alway say, take the backyard perspective on things. You good with living next to someone with major mental illness who needs medication constantly who has a cache of weapons in his/her house?

How often is that the case? What if their compulsive gun cleaning is all that keeps them sane?

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Lotta lip service. They are certainly not in the fore front pushing for legislation.

Like I alway say, take the backyard perspective on things. You good with living next to someone with major mental illness who needs medication constantly who has a cache of weapons in his/her house?


I'm just pointing out their official stance on the issue. Nothing more.