Pro-gun article

Fort Hood shooting leaves 4 dead, including gunman; 16 injured (http://news.yahoo.com/fort-hood-shooting-222528983.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons)

BBC News - Shooting at US Army's Fort Hood base in Texas (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26863033)


The US has a mental health problem. Let's focus on the real cause of this bullshit instead of sweeping it under the rug.


Again I agree with you but now comes the argument ,if that person has a mental health issue should he be allowed to buy a gun ,it is his 2nd amendment right correct ?

Fort Hood shooting leaves 4 dead, including gunman; 16 injured (http://news.yahoo.com/fort-hood-shooting-222528983.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons)

BBC News - Shooting at US Army's Fort Hood base in Texas (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26863033)


The US has a mental health problem. Let's focus on the real cause of this bullshit instead of sweeping it under the rug.

Well you would have to change some laws and give away some freedoms for public safety and most people are unwilling to do that. I am talking about laws about detaining people against their will for mental health evaluations. Almost every mass shooter lately has been described as troubled or strange by people who knew them. Unfortunately if you are an adult, don't commit a crime or go completely berserk in public nothing can be done to have you mentally evaluated against your will.

Again I agree with you but now comes the argument ,if that person has a mental health issue should he be allowed to buy a gun ,it is his 2nd amendment right correct ?

Getting the US to recognize and improve mental health treatment is separate from the 2nd amendment rights. Part of the reason that mental health treatment is lacking in this country is that society wants to attach stigmas to it.

Getting the US to recognize and improve mental health treatment is separate from the 2nd amendment rights. Part of the reason that mental health treatment is lacking in this country is that society wants to attach stigmas to it.


No , you can't have it both ways .While we agree the U.S. needs to upgrade to better mental healthcare then you will have to admit there are some who if off of medication should not have guns .Does the government have the right to know who those people are if they do have weapons ?

Unfortunately if you are an adult, don't commit a crime or go completely berserk in public nothing can be done to have you mentally evaluated against your will.

Good ,if people act "crazy" , go "berserk" or commit a crime of hate or aggression then they shouldn't have guns .

Well you would have to change some laws and give away some freedoms for public safety and most people are unwilling to do that.


You mean most gun owners aren't willing to do that ,them and the NRA .

Good ,if people act "crazy" , go "berserk" or commit a crime of hate or aggression then they shouldn't have guns .

How does that work again? <laughing >

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No , you can't have it both ways .While we agree the U.S. needs to upgrade to better mental healthcare then you will have to admit there are some who if off of medication should not have guns .Does the government have the right to know who those people are if they do have weapons ?

Yes, I can.

The rights in the constitution are enshrined there because of their over arching importance.

Mental Health should be a person's privacy. But now with mandatory reporting and overreaching government interference many who would benefit from counseling are scared to go because of how the government will use that information.

Nobody argues your strawman that "some who if off of medication...". You make it seem like there are no restrictions on getting guns and that any ole person can walk up to a gunshop and by one. That's just not the case.

the 2nd amendment clearly states that its purpose is to provide a well armed militia ... the supreme court case defining militia as any male over 18 as potentially a militia member and thus has 2nd amendment rights and protections seems like a very far stretch.

also the gun laws in texas to allow open carry for rifles were put in place so that hunters could transport a rifle from their home, into their truck and then the woods to hunt without being arrested. it was never intended to allow guys to walk through walmart with AR-15s courting reaction.

^ my opinions are based off articles and synopsis i have read. i have never actually read the SCOTUS case re definition of militia or the Texas legislature hearing notes on intent.

why do i continue to post in this thread???

Bottomline, time to stop arming mentally unstable people. If you dont just keep expecting stories like this.