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RedskinRat 04-18-2013, 01:43 PM I just wish this President would get as angry when Americans are murdered in Benghazi and Boston as he does when his bills are defeated (by his own party). He blew a gasket yesterday in the Rose Garden.
That's a great point!
BigHairedAristocrat 04-18-2013, 02:38 PM Rubber bullets kill too.
they can yes, but its much less likely.
RedskinRat 04-18-2013, 02:46 PM In 2010, under the current gun control laws, 48,000 felons attempted to illegally (because they aren't allowed) purchase firearms. Only 44 prosecutions came from those known attempts.
More gun control? Use the rules already on the books, FFS!
BigHairedAristocrat 04-18-2013, 02:49 PM You say I miss the point yet clearly you're the one 'not getting it'. Look at the numbers for vehicular deaths and injuries. They are NOT designed to KILL. Think about that. NOT DESIGNED TO KILL. Now look at the numbers again.
That many deaths from something NOT DESIGNED OR INTENDED TO KILL.
Getting it yet?
Youre not getting it. Numbers have nothing to do with anything. By your logic, Hearts are designed to kill because heart attacks kill more people than guns and car accidents.
Cars kill alot of people due to a number of factors, ranging from poor maintenance, drivers not paying attention, bad weather, etc. But the automobile is not a weapon. its a transportation tool that is dangerous if not used properly.
Handguns ARE weapons specifically designed to kill or injure another human being. You may use it for target practice, but that doesnt change the reason guns exist.
Yet they don't have to be used for the deterrent to work. Have you thought about your position on this at all? Serious question.
If you dont plan on using the gun, and only want it to serve as a deterrent, then you dont need ammo at all. In fact, you dont even need a real gun. You could just have a prop gun.
The more you type, its obvious that there is no logic to your position. You just want to argue that you should have guns because you enjoy them and want to be prepared to shoot someone if they mess with you. That seems to be your position. its one i dont respect or agree with. I think Handguns are inherrently evil devices and society would be safer as a whole if they were illegal.
Daseal 04-18-2013, 03:17 PM In 2010, under the current gun control laws, 48,000 felons attempted to illegally (because they aren't allowed) purchase firearms. Only 44 prosecutions came from those known attempts.
More gun control? Use the rules already on the books, FFS!
I want two fairly simple changes.
1) Anyone who sells a gun is responsible for doing a full background check on the individual. Any time someone buys a gun, a background check should be run and gun registered to person X.
2) Any time THAT WEAPON is used in a crime, that person has a certain amount of responsibility for said crime. I don't want to see them take full responsibility, but there are penalties for your weapon being used in a criminal fashion. Another crime on this is anyone found with an unregistered weapon also faces a charge and the weapon is confiscated.
These changes would in turn make sure that only people that fulfill all the requirements for gun ownership are able to purchase them, and that those people are responsible for the way that weapon is used.
I don't feel as if either of those are overbearing. People can still have their guns, they just have to go through a background check and gun registration.
RedskinRat 04-18-2013, 03:25 PM I think Handguns are inherrently evil devices and society would be safer as a whole if they were illegal.
Oh, dear.......it's an inanimate object.
If you make firearms illegal only law breakers will have them. Not smart.
RedskinRat 04-18-2013, 03:26 PM I want two fairly simple changes.
1) Anyone who sells a gun is responsible for doing a full background check on the individual. Any time someone buys a gun, a background check should be run and gun registered to person X.
2) Any time THAT WEAPON is used in a crime, that person has a certain amount of responsibility for said crime. I don't want to see them take full responsibility, but there are penalties for your weapon being used in a criminal fashion. Another crime on this is anyone found with an unregistered weapon also faces a charge and the weapon is confiscated.
These changes would in turn make sure that only people that fulfill all the requirements for gun ownership are able to purchase them, and that those people are responsible for the way that weapon is used.
I don't feel as if either of those are overbearing. People can still have their guns, they just have to go through a background check and gun registration.
I agree with your suggestion, however those things are in place and just need to be enforced. What troubles me is the call for MORE laws.
Daseal 04-18-2013, 03:40 PM I agree with your suggestion, however those things are in place and just need to be enforced. What troubles me is the call for MORE laws.
Private sellers don't have to run background checks, correct? If those are on the books, great, enforce them!
Giantone 04-18-2013, 03:40 PM Treehuggers/liberals/bleeding hearts......same thing.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be in heaven.
Monkeydad 04-18-2013, 03:57 PM If ignorance is bliss, you must be in heaven.
*Common sense is restricted to 16 oz. per person in NY.
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