RedskinRat
03-07-2013, 05:37 PM
My original counterpoint was that even though he may have been a hero to some he was a dick to others:
HRW (http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/world-report-2012-venezuela)
The weakening of Venezuela’s democratic system of checks and balances under President Hugo Chávez has contributed to a precarious human rights situation. Without judicial checks on its actions, the government has systematically undermined the right to free expression, workers’ freedom of association, and the ability of human rights groups to protect rights.
Not sure why Lotus even bought up ideology other than to divert the conversation to a place he felt comfortable.
HailGreen28
03-09-2013, 11:35 AM
This is why the conventually thought of polotical spectrum shouldnt be called a spectrum. Facism and Socialism are both forms of Statism. If they were ploted on the color spectrum they would both just be different sheens of red, opposite Libertarism violet.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/NSDAP-Logo.svg/500px-NSDAP-Logo.svg.png
It still amazes me that the Nazis are called "right-wing", and Communism "left-wing". The National Socialist Worker's Party that Hitler ran was left wing, like the Communist parties they fought against as rivals (political opponents in Germany early on, the USSR militarily).
Alvin Walton
03-09-2013, 12:20 PM
Nice jpeg....I hope the wrong person doesnt see that.
HailGreen28
03-09-2013, 12:41 PM
Nice jpeg....I hope the wrong person doesnt see that.Don't know what you mean. Hope nobody thinks the Nazi symbol is complimentary.
RedskinRat
03-09-2013, 01:23 PM
Don't know what you mean. Hope nobody thinks the Nazi symbol is complimentary.
Just tilt your head left or right 45 degrees and, voila, a peace symbol!
Giantone
03-10-2013, 09:59 AM
I was in NYC last week and was absolutely SHOCKED when i saw the commercial of Joe Kennedy praising Chavez and the good people of Venezuelan. This was right before Hugo dies so im guessing they just run commercials like that all the time up there? Crazy liberals.
lol.That commercial has been around for awhile,plays in the DC area a bit.
mlmpetert
03-11-2013, 03:55 PM
lol.That commercial has been around for awhile,plays in the DC area a bit.
NY is one thing, but DC?!?!?? The state of the union is in worse shape than i thought! Serisouly, though i was pretty shocked, made the comment "only in NY"
5 Ways Chavez Has Destroyed the Venezuelan Economy - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/ways-chavez-destroyed-venezuelan-economy/story?id=18239956)