Sequestration - good, bad, or indifferent?

keep the sequester and tax policey seperate. Big mistake

we need to attack our government's spending with substanial cuts and enforce budget control there after.

tax reforms should happen, but our government shouldnt do both at once, we are too stupid politically.

So you managed to support you and your child with a minimum wage job with no help or support?


1) Rent
2) Car/gas
3) Food
4) Insurance
5) Clothes
6) Other supplies


No offense, but I'm not believing it one bit.

I made a deal with the person I worked for and had a place to live by doing odd jobs for him on the weekends. I actually took a reduction in pay to get into the insurance field but I didn't make much money the first few years. Finally got trained and moved up and then opened my own office. The only thing I ever received from the gov was a tax credit for being a low income parent. I'm personally not against federal programs I'm against people who are on them for life and raise children who become welfare dependent.

I doubt we'll ever be able to tell how many were stopped, its made it awful hard for the sundry list of bad guys to even attempt anything becuse its so expensive and complicated to pull something off like that now.

And to name a few - The Coast Guard, The Secret Service, TSA, Immigration are all part of HS.
Why do you want to do away with them?

Answer: None.

It made it hard? You mean how the kid that got on board a airplane with a shoe bomb? TSA agents have been nothing but a menace since their creation. Groping women, harassing kids and other passengers has been their specialty, not stopping terrorists.

TSA Agents Harass Three-Year-Old with Spina Bifida, Take Away Her Stuffed Animal (http://gawker.com/5986030/tsa-agents-harass-three+year+old-with-spina-bifida-take-away-her-stuffed-animal)

http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html

TSA harassment sends rape victim to emergency room — RT USA (http://rt.com/usa/tsa-rape-room-wife-179/)

TSA Agents Harass Disabled Passengers: Cause for Concern : News : TravelersToday (http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/2333/20120717/tsa-agents-harass-disabled-passengers-cause-concern.htm)

You give our incompetent enforcement agencies way too much credit.


Security is Big Business at Super Bowl XLVII - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2013/01/30/security-is-big-business-at-super-bowl-xlvii/)

We don't need to be involved with security for the Super Bowl, the NFL makes 9+ billion a year, let them handle it.


Well, those departments you named were there prior to the HS department being formed so no. I have a huge issue with pouring billions of dollars into "security" when it's not protecting us from shit. Again, I'm not talking about agencies that existed prior to 9/11.

Where Did Our Debt Come From?Please watch.


Where Did the Debt Come From? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LcvLHHMC4iI)

Nothing like a bias source.

Center for American Progress's Director of Tax and Budget Policy

Its President and chief executive officer is Neera Tanden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neera_Tanden), who worked for the Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) and Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) administrations and for Hillary Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton)’s campaigns.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_Progress#cite_note-5) Its first President and chief executive officer

Nothing like a bias source.

Center for American Progress's Director of Tax and Budget Policy

Its President and chief executive officer is Neera Tanden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neera_Tanden), who worked for the Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) and Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) administrations and for Hillary Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton)’s campaigns.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_Progress#cite_note-5) Its first President and chief executive officer


SO is any of the information wrong? If so, please point out where and detail it.

It doesn't take a genius to see that starting 2 separate wars while cutting taxes was going to lead to a huge debt hole.

Answer: None.

It made it hard? You mean how the kid that got on board a airplane with a shoe bomb? TSA agents have been nothing but a menace since their creation. Groping women, harassing kids and other passengers has been their specialty, not stopping terrorists.

TSA Agents Harass Three-Year-Old with Spina Bifida, Take Away Her Stuffed Animal (http://gawker.com/5986030/tsa-agents-harass-three+year+old-with-spina-bifida-take-away-her-stuffed-animal)

http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html

TSA harassment sends rape victim to emergency room — RT USA (http://rt.com/usa/tsa-rape-room-wife-179/)

TSA Agents Harass Disabled Passengers: Cause for Concern : News : TravelersToday (http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/2333/20120717/tsa-agents-harass-disabled-passengers-cause-concern.htm)

You give our incompetent enforcement agencies way too much credit.


Security is Big Business at Super Bowl XLVII - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2013/01/30/security-is-big-business-at-super-bowl-xlvii/)

We don't need to be involved with security for the Super Bowl, the NFL makes 9+ billion a year, let them handle it.


Well, those departments you named were their prior to the HS department being formed so no. I have a huge issue with pouring billions of dollars into "security" when it's not protecting us from shit. Again, I'm not talking about agencies that existed prior to 9/11.

One minute you say the gov. can do no wrong but when its a program you don't like they can do no right.

One minute you say the gov. can do no wrong but when its a program you don't like they can do no right.


Can you show me where I said the gov can do no wrong? Please do.

Nothing like a bias source.

Center for American Progress's Director of Tax and Budget Policy

Its President and chief executive officer is Neera Tanden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neera_Tanden), who worked for the Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) and Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) administrations and for Hillary Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton)’s campaigns.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_Progress#cite_note-5) Its first President and chief executive officer

Facts are still facts.

So Alvin still hasn't answered any thoughts on what defense spending he would cut, and NC_Skins, I might ask you if you had any part of the Welfare 10% you could see as being cut.

We all get so caught up in our own belief of what this country needs, but in order to make it work, everyone has to be willing to put something on the table. and I generally mean something more substantial than a 4 million reduction.

If we can't all do that, I mean go more than halfway, then there isn't anyway this country is going to avoid a massive impasse a la France.

And so everyone understands, I am an extremist. I would take government spending down to the bones in a lot of areas. I would let states set up their own welfare systems, and not have anything more than bare bones oversight, to make sure no gross abuses occur, but if Montana wants to set up minimal WIC, and maximize efforts to get people off, and NY wants to maximize length, let those states constituents pay. As for the rich and taxes, If you want to live here, and put your corporations here, we are going to tax a rate on par with the rest of the world, not grossly over, and not grossly under. For some of the capital flight takes place, some will come back. Defense, I would nearly gut the standing Army and have a strong reserve force uses 18-21 year olds as a mainstay, with a reserve officer corp that maintains some level of consistent training, (yes I was in it, I know that the soldiers in there are for the most part patriots and overall good guys). I would maintain our Navy and AirForce/Space services at current funding for 3 years, placing all leading tech purchases on hold for 1 1/2 years, based on a reasonable assumption that we aren't in grave danger (is there any other kind). I would mandate Military or Community Service for 3 years for EVERYONE when turning 18. Once that service at Minimum wage, with housing benefits like the military has been completed, you have the opportunity to re-up, or move on. Discretionary expenditures would be frozen at 2012 levels and re-visited every 18 months.

None of this will happen, and in my humble opinion, no faction in US politics is going to give up enough to even make a dent.

c'est la vie

Facts are still facts.

From you? ROLF!