Sequestration - good, bad, or indifferent?

It breaks your heart that planes flying at sporting events and air shows (the definition of WASTEFUL SPENDING) are getting grounded? If you want to cut the budget, fine, but lets really look at useless spending. Those planes cost millions of dollars and the fuel is very expensive. Not to mention the time of the pilots, the training, etc. It will affect the merchants in the area, but budget reductions will have that affect.

Alvin -- stop talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you want to cut spending, fine. But these frivolous programs are the ones that need to be the first to go. There is no economical gain for these programs nor is there any social gain.


That's the thing, people don't want to cut out something that they enjoy or that may affect them. Let's just take it away from the lesser/poorer people. After all, they (welfare recipients) are the real reason out deficit is out of control, even though we spend less than 2% on them.

What is the Obama plan? Funny your last post said that the Rep. agreed to a tax cut for everyone but the rich. HMMMM

The thing is, those tax loopholes are still in place. The ultra rich will continue to use these to avoid taxes, and capital gains taxes weren't raised.

That's the thing, people don't want to cut out something that they enjoy or that may affect them. Let's just take it away from the lesser/poorer people. After all, they (welfare recipients) are the real reason out deficit is out of control, even though we spend less than 2% on them.

You have no clue. Welfare spending on its own is above 10% then you have programs within other areas that are really welfare.



https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=600x200&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:18,19,13,14,10,5,5,2,8,6&chl=Pensions 18%|Health Care 19%|Education 13%|Defense 14%|Welfare 10%|Protection 5%|Transportation 5%|General Government 2%|Other Spending 8%|Interest 6%&chtt=Total Spending for United States - FY 2013

Under health care falls programs for lower income.
Education has programs for low income.

You have no clue. Welfare spending on its own is above 10% then you have programs within other areas that are really welfare.



https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=600x200&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:18,19,13,14,10,5,5,2,8,6&chl=Pensions 18%|Health Care 19%|Education 13%|Defense 14%|Welfare 10%|Protection 5%|Transportation 5%|General Government 2%|Other Spending 8%|Interest 6%&chtt=Total Spending for United States - FY 2013

Under health care falls programs for lower income.
Education has programs for low income.


I have a good clue. You didn't break down that welfare spending.


US Welfare Spending for 2013 - Charts (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_welfare_spending_40.html)


Family and children spending equates to 111.7 billion of the total spending.

That is what most people bitch about when they talk welfare and that equates to about 26% of welfare spending. So about 2% of the total budget. I was a little off, it accounts for 2.6% of the budget.


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Relevant to this discussion.


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I have a good clue. You didn't break down that welfare spending.


US Welfare Spending for 2013 - Charts (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_welfare_spending_40.html)


Family and children spending equates to 111.7 billion of the total spending.

That is what most people bitch about when they talk welfare and that equates to about 26% of welfare spending. So about 2% of the total budget. I was a little off, it accounts for 2.6% of the budget.


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You cannot pick and choose what part of welfare you decide to count. Its over 10% of the budget.

You cannot pick and choose what part of welfare you decide to count. Its over 10% of the budget.

Anytime I've heard a GOPer barking about welfare, it's been about foodstamps. I've never heard one bitch about the other funding within welfare. I picked it, because that's exactly what your party bitches about. It's no secret that conservatives associate food stamps with welfare.

Anytime I've heard a GOPer barking about welfare, it's been about foodstamps. I've never heard one bitch about the other funding within welfare. I picked it, because that's exactly what your party bitches about. It's no secret that conservatives associate food stamps with welfare.

No shit your right its a PART of welfare but its just one part. I'm tired of having to pay the way for others who choose not to work. We keep extending unemployment and the wonder why so many people are unemployeed. HMMM maybe the two go hand in hand. I've also said we need to reduce spending on the military. Hell we are having these issues and Obama announced just on 2/28 that we are sending another 150 MILLION to Syria. So we are going to borrow money fron Japan to give it to Syria. What the F is wrong with this picture. WE ARE OUT OF MONEY AND WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM. I'm a 100% for these cuts and I'm in an area that will get hit the hardest.

And this thread is why I overall support sequestration and any other mandatory reductions that don't listen to every grievance. Just in this thread we can see a lobby for the military, the people making the most, and those who support the poor. We can't even come together and accept the simple fact that our government is way overspending in every area, and instead throw out graphs, articles and "national pride" to plead the case for whichever group you support.

In fact, I would say sequestration didn't go far enough, and that we ought to mandate 3% baseline cuts and 3% tax increases across the board, every year until either:
a) legislatively binding financial plans are developed that bring the budget at or near balance and a fund for debt repayment is established

or

b) an amendment to the constitution is passed that mandates fiscal sanity (however that would be worded). It ought to be easy enough for the population of 2/3rds of the states to push for a straight forward amendment which says that unfettered debt is dangerous to our national health, and therefore, the Constitution is amended to require that the national debt can never exceed x% (i am sure there is a healthy percentage of debt).

I'm tired of having to pay the way for others who choose not to work. We keep extending unemployment and the wonder why so many people are unemployeed.


...or maybe you are just stereotyping people on welfare? Maybe it's because jobs aren't there. You act if we can just magically go get some job and all is better! What are a lot of major corporations doing with jobs? Answer: Sending them overseas and cutting them for max profits.

It's not always that simple or that easy FD, and congrats to you for having it made to where you never understand what kind of situation these people may be in. Granted, there are some that are lazy and want free handouts, that much is certain.



And this thread is why I overall support sequestration and any other mandatory reductions that don't listen to every grievance. Just in this thread we can see a lobby for the military, the people making the most, and those who support the poor. We can't even come together and accept the simple fact that our government is way overspending in every area, and instead throw out graphs, articles and "national pride" to plead the case for whichever group you support.

It's not that I "support" any particular group. I'm just calling out the parrot heads that continue to point at one thing and say LOOK THEY AR THE REASON.

However, if given the choice, would you rather bomb somebody or feed them.


They can do away with this Homeland Security bullshit. They aren't doing anything to make us secure. We are no more secure today than we were prior to 9/11.

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/)


FD talked about us funding Syria. Wonder why he didn't mention Israel?

Washington DC ad campaign seeks to ‘expose’ Israeli lobby in America (http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/03/03/269443.html)


Another way to save billions of dollars in wasted money is to end the faux war on drugs. It's a waste. Legalize it and tax it. You thereby create revenue.