Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

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CultBrennan59
02-09-2013, 04:02 PM
This is the problem with the world today. People take offense to almost anything someone says today.

BigHairedAristocrat
02-09-2013, 04:13 PM
I'd be fine changing the name if we got our 36MM in cap space back and John Mara was tarred and feathered and the giants lost all their draft picks for e next 3 years. oh, and all the other teams with potentially offensive names changed their names too. saints could be offensive to Catholics and atheists alike. Packer could be a derogatory name for a gay man, so that name should change too. Use of the names Titans would be offensive to ancient Greeks. I think one day, buccaneer or dolphin could be turned into a derogatory word for some minority so it's probably best to be proactive and just change the name now. Just to be safe, all teams should just be assigned a number, numbers will probably never be offensive to anyone.

SFREDSKIN
02-09-2013, 04:24 PM
I'd be fine changing the name if we got our 36MM in cap space back and John Mara was tarred and feathered and the giants lost all their draft picks for e next 3 years. oh, and all the other teams with potentially offensive names changed their names too. saints could be offensive to Catholics and atheists alike. Packer could be a derogatory name for a gay man, so that name should change too. Use of the names Titans would be offensive to ancient Greeks. I think one day, buccaneer or dolphin could be turned into a derogatory word for some minority so it's probably best to be proactive and just change the name now. Just to be safe, all teams should just be assigned a number, numbers will probably never be offensive to anyone.

Packer=fudgeman & throbbing :)

Greaseman days!!

BigHairedAristocrat
02-09-2013, 04:27 PM
If you look in a thesaurus, "Yellow Man" is a derogatory term for an Asian. Same with Redskin for a Native American. Back when the Redskins were name (1933), Redskin was a common term, as was Yellow Man, the N word (see what I mean) and many other terms that are now offensive.

I personally don't see a problem with a name like the Chiefs, Braves, Warriors etc as they are not negative terms. They are no different than the Raiders, Vikings, Bucs etc.

Look at it this way, would you walk up to a Native American and refer to him as a "Redskin" to his face? That to me is a good way to judge if the term is offensive.

I wouldn't walk up to a fat man and call him Giant to his face or a gay man and call him a Packer. Does that mean those team names are offensive too?

Just because a word could bee twisted by a bad person to deride someone else, doesn't mean the word itself is inherently offensive. The word itself is not offensive, was not created to be offensive, and was not viewed as offensive when the name was chosen for the team. If it was, no one would have wanted to play for the team because the players would be associating themselves with something they looked down upon.

firstdown
02-09-2013, 04:37 PM
........Man card, please

You drink a few of my Apple Martinis and you will realize you need a man card to handle them.

SFREDSKIN
02-09-2013, 05:03 PM
http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf

Leader In Sports
02-09-2013, 05:52 PM
I wouldn't walk up to a fat man and call him Giant to his face or a gay man and call him a Packer. Does that mean those team names are offensive too?

Just because a word could bee twisted by a bad person to deride someone else, doesn't mean the word itself is inherently offensive. The word itself is not offensive, was not created to be offensive, and was not viewed as offensive when the name was chosen for the team. If it was, no one would have wanted to play for the team because the players would be associating themselves with something they looked down upon.The difference with your examples and others are the Packers were named after meat packers. The Giants were named after mythical, larger than life figures. Redskins were always intended to represent Native Americans.

GMScud
02-09-2013, 06:13 PM
Now comes Florio saying RGIII needs to "do the right thing" and be the catalyst for the name change....

Momentum builds for a Redskins name change, and one man can make it happen | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/09/momentum-builds-for-a-redskins-name-change-and-one-man-can-make-it-happen/)

SFREDSKIN
02-09-2013, 06:21 PM
Now comes Florio saying RGIII needs to "do the right thing" and be the catalyst for the name change....

Momentum builds for a Redskins name change, and one man can make it happen | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/09/momentum-builds-for-a-redskins-name-change-and-one-man-can-make-it-happen/)

It's whiners like Florio who don't care if the name changes, he wants to be the guy the floated the idea. It's like the old SF mayor Gavin "douchebag" Newsom started the whole gay marriage movement for his own popularity to get elected governor not because he cared about gay people. Screw those a-holes with their own agenda.

BigHairedAristocrat
02-09-2013, 06:43 PM
The difference with your examples and others are the Packers were named after meat packers. The Giants were named after mythical, larger than life figures. Redskins were always intended to represent Native Americans.

But it was not a racist term at the time it was chosen to name the team, and that's the point. The majority of people who complain about the team name are upper middle class white people who feel taking e position that the name is racist makes them more enlightened than everyone else. One fifth of the world is starving. Millions of people In this country are unemployed, but these people pick the name of a sports team as a cause to rally behind? Find a worthwhile cause and leave the redskins the F alone.

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