Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status

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Chico23231
04-09-2013, 09:16 PM
Just when I thought it was safe to take you off the ignore lists .

I may not have a brilliant football mind. However, compared to the pearls of wisdom that you spew forth, from your "I have a friend in the oil business in Denver", to your inability understand the role of the read option in the Skins offense, to your Gaffney man-crush and incessant and obtuse belief that Garcon was a mistake, I am a f'ing football savant.

but back to the numbers.

In 2013, Garcon's YAC was 6.77 and Wallace's was 4.2. 60% of Garcon's catches went for first downs compared to 52% for Wallace.

On top of that, Garcon has consistently been cited for bringing a toughness to the WR core and transforming its attitude. Wallace? Tell me when anyone has said that of Wallace.

Back to the ignore list for you.

awww man, I totally forgot about that classic

Hog1
04-09-2013, 09:22 PM
What ever happened to "Cause' I said so!"
......you guys

JoeRedskin
04-09-2013, 09:27 PM
Now Hog1 ... Have I ever used four words where 200 would suffice?

JoeRedskin
04-10-2013, 12:23 AM
To bring the discussion back to fact over fiction:

Pierre Garcon: Game Logs at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/pierregarcon/2346/gamelogs)

Santana Moss, WR for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/santanamoss/2504743/profile)

Tana had twice as many TDs as Garcon though he was targeted...less. Garcon made little to no impact is several games (outside the ones he missed completely), getting yardage in junk minutes but otherwise being very quiet.

Again, hopefully this is the year he puts together a season anywhere near worthy of his contract.

Because it is applicable to just about everything you say about anything:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

NYCskinfan82
04-10-2013, 03:40 PM
How will the Redskins pay their draft picks? | CSN Washington (http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/how-will-redskins-pay-their-draft-picks)

Nice read.

SirLK26
04-10-2013, 03:56 PM
How will the Redskins pay their draft picks? | CSN Washington (http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/how-will-redskins-pay-their-draft-picks)

Nice read.

Wow, that is a nice read. I was wondering what kind of moves we were going to have to make to clear room for our draft picks , and he explained it well.

The Goat
04-10-2013, 05:03 PM
maybe when you see the offensive guys putting everything on the line, hurt foot/shoulder and all, the defensive guys step up for respected teammates:food-smil
What I was getting at, is the offensive production wasn't hugely different over the course of the season, with or without Garcon. I remember somebody posting or linking PPG stats and the offense was impressively consistent overall. The defense improved markedly in the 2nd half though, just in time for Garcon's return to the regular lineup :)

JoeRedskin
04-10-2013, 06:39 PM
The offense's productivity, and particularly the passing game, was markedly higher with Garcon than without him. Based on a review of the game by game stats from last year:

With Garcon:
Points per Game: 25.44
Yards/play: 6.45
Yards/passing play: 8.91

Without Garcon:
Points per Game: 24.14
Yards/play: 5.83
Yards/passing play: 6.56

We ran 440 passing plays last year. Over the course of a season, the difference provided by Garcon (8.9/play v. 6.6/play) accounts for ~1000 yards in the passing game.

Over the course of a season, the difference in terms of points with Garcon is almost 3 TD's (20.8). Not huge, but significant in terms of close games -- 20 additional points is 20 additional points. Basically, its a 5% difference in scoring.

Further, in games Garcon played, he was consistently the leading receiving threat whereas, in games he did not play, no single receiver consistently led the team AND, in those seven games, a tight-end was the leader in receiving yards FOUR times (Paulson - yes, that's right PAULSON - was the leading yardage guy twice).

Garcon was the leading receiver in 7 of the 9 games he played. In the seven games he was the leading receiver, he finished with more than 80 yards 5 times and the only time he led with less than 50 yards was in the final game against Dallas where we passed for only 87 yards total - 46 of which were to Garcon.

In the games Garcon didn't play, no receiver broke 100 yards. F. Davis had 90 off 7 catches in week 3 and Paulson 76 on 4 catches week 8. In non-Garcon games, when a wide receiver was the leading receiver, none topped 50 yards. In the seven non-Garcon games, Moss was the leading receiver once with 46 yards and Morgan twice with 46 & 50 yards.

If you throw out the two games Garcon played injured at less than 100%(Atlanta, first Philly game), the numbers are even more scewed in favor of Garcon as a difference maker.

In this offense, Garcon is a difference maker. He is a focal point and spark. To argue that any other receiver currently on the roster could have the effect Garcon has when healthy is idiotic, obtuse and Goat-like.

If he fully recovers, and plays a full or near full schedule (other than his rookie year, this is the first time he has played less than 14 games), he will easily be one the top offensive producers in the game. Based on his production over the last 7 games, I am hopeful that he will make a complete recovery.

Stepping away from the stat sheet now ...

skinsfaninok
04-10-2013, 06:42 PM
The offense's productivity, and particularly the passing game, was markedly higher with Garcon than without him. Based on a review of the game by game stats from last year:

With Garcon:
Points per Game: 25.44
Yards/play: 6.45
Yards/passing play: 8.91

Without Garcon:
Points per Game: 24.14
Yards/play: 5.83
Yards/passing play: 6.56

We ran 440 passing plays last year. Over the course of a season, the difference provided by Garcon (8.9/play v. 6.6/play) accounts for ~1000 yards in the passing game.

Over the course of a season, the difference in terms of points with Garcon is almost 3 TD's (20.8). Not huge, but significant in terms of close games -- 20 additional points is 20 additional points. Basically, its a 5% difference in scoring.

Further, in games Garcon played, he was consistently the leading receiving threat whereas, in games he did not play, no single receiver consistently led the team AND, in those seven games, a tight-end was the leader in receiving yards (Paulson - yes, that's right PAULSON - was the leading yardage guy twice).

Garcon was the leading receiver in 7 of the 9 games he played. In the seven games he was the leading receiver, he finished with more than 80 yards 5 times and the only time he led with less than 50 yards was in the final game against Dallas where we passed for only 87 yards total - 46 of which were to Garcon.

In the games Garcon didn't play, no receiver broke 100 yards. F. Davis had 90 off 7 catches in week 3 and Paulson 76 on 4 catches week 8. In non-Garcon games, when a wide receiver was the leading receiver, none topped 50 yards. In the seven non-Garcon games, Moss was the leading receiver once with 46 yards and Morgan twice with 46 & 50 yards.

If you throw out the two games Garcon played injured at less than 100%(Atlanta, first Philly game), the numbers are even more scewed in favor of Garcon as a difference maker.

In this offense, Garcon is a difference maker. He is a focal point and spark. To argue that any other receiver currently on the roster could have the effect Garcon has when healthy is idiotic, obtuse and Goat-like.

If he fully recovers, and plays a full or near full schedule (other than his rookie year, this is the first time he has played less than 14 games), he will easily be one the top offensive producers in the game. Based on his production over the last 7 games, I am hopeful that he will make a complete recovery.

Stepping away from the stat sheet now ...

And many questioned his signing

Lotus
04-10-2013, 06:59 PM
The offense's productivity, and particularly the passing game, was markedly higher with Garcon than without him. Based on a review of the game by game stats from last year:

With Garcon:
Points per Game: 25.44
Yards/play: 6.45
Yards/passing play: 8.91

Without Garcon:
Points per Game: 24.14
Yards/play: 5.83
Yards/passing play: 6.56

We ran 440 passing plays last year. Over the course of a season, the difference provided by Garcon (8.9/play v. 6.6/play) accounts for ~1000 yards in the passing game.

Over the course of a season, the difference in terms of points with Garcon is almost 3 TD's (20.8). Not huge, but significant in terms of close games -- 20 additional points is 20 additional points. Basically, its a 5% difference in scoring.

Further, in games Garcon played, he was consistently the leading receiving threat whereas, in games he did not play, no single receiver consistently led the team AND, in those seven games, a tight-end was the leader in receiving yards (Paulson - yes, that's right PAULSON - was the leading yardage guy twice).

Garcon was the leading receiver in 7 of the 9 games he played. In the seven games he was the leading receiver, he finished with more than 80 yards 5 times and the only time he led with less than 50 yards was in the final game against Dallas where we passed for only 87 yards total - 46 of which were to Garcon.

In the games Garcon didn't play, no receiver broke 100 yards. F. Davis had 90 off 7 catches in week 3 and Paulson 76 on 4 catches week 8. In non-Garcon games, when a wide receiver was the leading receiver, none topped 50 yards. In the seven non-Garcon games, Moss was the leading receiver once with 46 yards and Morgan twice with 46 & 50 yards.

If you throw out the two games Garcon played injured at less than 100%(Atlanta, first Philly game), the numbers are even more scewed in favor of Garcon as a difference maker.

In this offense, Garcon is a difference maker. He is a focal point and spark. To argue that any other receiver currently on the roster could have the effect Garcon has when healthy is idiotic, obtuse and Goat-like.

If he fully recovers, and plays a full or near full schedule (other than his rookie year, this is the first time he has played less than 14 games), he will easily be one the top offensive producers in the game. Based on his production over the last 7 games, I am hopeful that he will make a complete recovery.

Stepping away from the stat sheet now ...

Excellent work there, Joe.

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