Societal Decay - Henson Ong

Keep citing stuff thats hundreds of years old.

Things change. The world changes.As far as gun violence goes, try about fifty or so, when we didn't have the same kind of problems we have today. As far as principle goes, some principles don't change. Like equality, free speech, independence, and responsibility.

As far as gun violence goes, try about fifty or so, when we didn't have the same kind of problems we have today. As far as principle goes, some principles don't change. Like equality, free speech, independence, and responsibility.

It's similar to the irrational argument that 'it was written when we only had muskets, so you can have as many muskets as you want' (Jon Stewart, I think). What does the Government come to my home armed with? I want that. That's the point of the 2nd Amendment, to protect us from a despotic Government.

yes, that's why we're #10 on gun deaths per capita at 10.2/100,000 and england is nearly last with 0.25/100,000.

so, the country with restrictive gun laws has 1 gun death per 400,000 people and the US has 1 per 10,000. our increased supply of guns apparently makes us safer (??) by killing 4,000% more people per year.

I love flawed logic. it's great.

I don't have the time to look it up there are also countries that have way more guns per person then the US and have very little to no gun violence. There are also countries that ban guns and have a high gun violence. I'll look for the article I read about that and post when I get a chance.

I don't have the time to look it up there are also countries that have way more guns per person then the US and have very little to no gun violence. There are also countries that ban guns and have a high gun violence. I'll look for the article I read about that and post when I get a chance.

Switzerland has the third highest rate of ownership (due to their militia) and one of the lowest rates of gun crime, due to their responsible citizenry.

http://mark.reid.name/images/figures/homicide-vs-guns-all.png

This nice chap has done the work for you (http://mark.reid.name/iem/gun-deaths-vs-gun-ownership.html)

switzerland isn't close to the "lowest" they have 3.8 deaths per capita, ~40% of the US total, and about 1600% more than the UK.

I'd also argue that gun deaths are a kind gun violence. I wonder how armed robbery and armed rape stack up vs other countries...

and btw, homicides don't cover gun deaths. suicides are almost 2:1 vs homicides for deaths, with some accidents or unknowns thrown in for measure.

and some of the horrible countries for homicides on that list report ALL gun deaths as homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidents, so some of the data may be a bit inaccurate from those places.

Switzerland has the third highest rate of ownership (due to their militia) and one of the lowest rates of gun crime, due to their responsible citizenry.

http://mark.reid.name/images/figures/homicide-vs-guns-all.png

This nice chap has done the work for you (http://mark.reid.name/iem/gun-deaths-vs-gun-ownership.html)

Please take a look at my post about Switzerland in the other thread. Switzerland has extremely high gun ownership, but it is almost impossible to buy ammunition. You can buy ammunition at the shooting range but it must be used while there and cannot be taken home. Secondly, if there is some sort of conflict, you can go to the armory and they will sign ammunition over to you for war purposes. It used to be they let people keep X amount in their home, but it was audited yearly to ensure it hadn't been used. They have since changed that.

Also, your scatter graph is gun homocides. Which by definition does not include accidental deaths or suicides. Perhaps may not even count unsolved crimes.

switzerland isn't close to the "lowest" they have 3.8 deaths per capita, ~40% of the US total, and about 1600% more than the UK.

Yes, I am removing 'suicide' from the results.

I'd also argue that gun deaths are a kind gun violence. I wonder how armed robbery and armed rape stack up vs other countries...

I said 'Violence', to be clear. Gun violence is a subset of violence, clearly, but I said we have less violence than we did.

Turns out the incidents of violent crime increased dramatically after the Aussie gun ban (http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847), but who cares about that, eh?

Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

There has been so much info thrown around about guns and gun violence its getting hard to tell what the hell is the truth. I've seen countries that have tons of guns with very little problems and countries like the US with a big problem. I've seen countries with tight gun control with very little problems and some that have high crimes and violence. I'd love to see a break down of those extremes looked at very closly to see why the hugh difference.

Seattle buyback epic FAIL: (http://www.kplu.org/post/gun-buyback-mayor-says-gaggles-private-gun-buyers-insane)

Seven hundred and sixteen guns were collected at Saturday’s gun buyback program in Seattle. But officials say they are disturbed by the large number of private gun buyers the event attracted.

Mayor Mike McGinn says he was shocked by what he describes as the “gaggles” of private gun buyers who showed up to tempt people away from the long lines and gift cards and offer them cash for their weapons.


“We had a gun bazaar break out of the streets of Seattle outside of a gun buyback. That was just insane."


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