Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.

No, I agree that wasting 1 year is better than wasting 4-5 -- I just wish I would have known that they didn't expect anything out of the season so that I as a fan would have know that 2011 didn't really count.

Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel. :)

Long week at work. Nice way to vent. :FIREdevil

I just also want to gush on how nice it is to be a Redskins fan right now. I even have a Cowpuke fan in my office who is saying positive things about our team.

I'm curious -- when did it become my job as a fan to suggest alternatives? My job is to cheer the victories, boo the losses and then pontificate about the respective greatness/worthlessness of the team. Saying that you don't buy into the Shanaplan isn't hating. If it is, then why was the question asked in the first place? Do you just want a bunch of yes men on this forum or people who challenge the common mentality with admittedly imperfect arguments.

Building something with as many moving pieces as a football team in an environment as volatile as the NFL is absolutely a multi-year endeavor. But I'm allowed to be upset about the, somewhat, wasted year right? If not, let me know and I'll never say anything negative again.

I'm curious -- when did it become my job as a fan to suggest alternatives? My job is to cheer the victories, boo the losses and then pontificate about the respective greatness/worthlessness of the team. Saying that you don't buy into the Shanaplan isn't hating. If it is, then why was the question asked in the first place? Do you just want a bunch of yes men on this forum or people who challenge the common mentality with admittedly imperfect arguments.

Building something with as many moving pieces as a football team in an environment as volatile as the NFL is absolutely a multi-year endeavor. But I'm allowed to be upset about the, somewhat, wasted year right? If not, let me know and I'll never say anything negative again.

Some people want perfection in a team and do not seem to be happy no matter what happens. I will be the first one to criticize the team about a lot of things. You mentioned wasted years, and I believe 2010 (McNabb) and 2011 (Rex/Beck) were wasted year. I feel that Shanahan could have handled the Haynesworth debacle much better. In looking at more recent issues, the defense is still a conundrum, they've had 10 takeaways and 11 sacks over the 5-game winning streak, yet they've given up about 350 yards per game. The FO took a big gamble on safeties, and they got that part completely wrong.

As you said, this doesn't have to be a group of yes men, agreeing with everything and drinking the Kool Aid. But some people seemed to be content with the complaints and make irrational arguments to make their point.

Some people want perfection in a team and do not seem to be happy no matter what happens. I will be the first one to criticize the team about a lot of things. You mentioned wasted years, and I believe 2010 (McNabb) and 2011 (Rex/Beck) were wasted year. I feel that Shanahan could have handled the Haynesworth debacle much better. In looking at more recent issues, the defense is still a conundrum, they've had 10 takeaways and 11 sacks over the 5-game winning streak, yet they've given up about 350 yards per game. The FO took a big gamble on safeties, and they got that part completely wrong.

As you said, this doesn't have to be a group of yes men, agreeing with everything and drinking the Kool Aid. But some people seemed to be content with the complaints and make irrational arguments to make their point.

Exactly -- I also despise people who only want to complain and make irrational arguments as I feel that some of the attacks have been by people who only drink koolaid while denigrating rational arguments. The 5 game streak has been ridiculous -- we've beaten two division winners (Giants at the time, Ravens), the f***ing cowpukes in Jerrah's world, and a very tough defense in Cleveland (they had given up 3 offensive TDs in the past four games and we put up 5 led by Kirk making his first start). I am super positive but I personally can't just forget the tough preceding years when it really seemed as though there was no Shanaplan.

I'm curious -- when did it become my job as a fan to suggest alternatives? My job is to cheer the victories, boo the losses and then pontificate about the respective greatness/worthlessness of the team. Saying that you don't buy into the Shanaplan isn't hating. If it is, then why was the question asked in the first place? Do you just want a bunch of yes men on this forum or people who challenge the common mentality with admittedly imperfect arguments.

Building something with as many moving pieces as a football team in an environment as volatile as the NFL is absolutely a multi-year endeavor. But I'm allowed to be upset about the, somewhat, wasted year right? If not, let me know and I'll never say anything negative again.

I dont recall saying you were hating. You are more than welcome to quote me saying that. Until then, dont put words in my mouth. You have every right to your opinions, I have every right to disagree with you. Spare me the dramatics about never being negative again.

The fact is, the last two years is the first time that this team has tried to build a long term contender since Beathard and Gibbs. Gibbs II was about building a team to win now and putting cap affects into later years. That was never sustainable long term.

But lets be honest here, when looking at some of the most important pieces of a team. We are starting to get not only young, but good as well. The fact that we have a year 3 LT who is looking really good, a rookie QB and RB, Younger WR's outside of Moss. Those are good building blocks that will be around a long time. Does the OL need more improvements? Absolutely, but for the first time, some important components of our offense are not only young, but also good.

Complain about year 1 all you want, I do. I have always said McNabb was a mistake and that even though he talked about a long term plan of youth, he abandoned that plan in year 1 to try and win now. Year 2, what QB? As much as people complain about Rex/Beck, who else was he getting. The main ones available were Gabbert, Dalton, or Kapernick in the draft, or to sign Hasselbeck as a FA. OK so how much are we winning with any of them? Dalton/Kaepernick would easily have been best, but do we go to the playoffs last year with either? No we dont. Dalton would have gotten pummeled behind our Oline. Kaepernick needed to sit last year to help develop. Do we get RG3 if we draft either of those 3? No we dont. I personally believe that RG3 is head and shoulders above all of those, and even with the extra draft picks, going after him is worth it.

We have been bad for almost 20 years. Signs that the future will be better are important. And I saw those last year. Yeah, the record sucked, but we actually have started adding younger pieces. And the future looks good. I didnt buy into Shanny's plan at all in year 1. Because he preached youth and went for win now with a crap roster. But year 2 and 3 have been about building a team. Year 3 we are seeing those signs pretty clearly. To change now is a huge mistake.

I dont recall saying you were hating. You are more than welcome to quote me saying that. Until then, dont put words in my mouth. You have every right to your opinions, I have every right to disagree with you. Spare me the dramatics about never being negative again.

The fact is, the last two years is the first time that this team has tried to build a long term contender since Beathard and Gibbs. Gibbs II was about building a team to win now and putting cap affects into later years. That was never sustainable long term.

But lets be honest here, when looking at some of the most important pieces of a team. We are starting to get not only young, but good as well. The fact that we have a year 3 LT who is looking really good, a rookie QB and RB, Younger WR's outside of Moss. Those are good building blocks that will be around a long time. Does the OL need more improvements? Absolutely, but for the first time, some important components of our offense are not only young, but also good.

Complain about year 1 all you want, I do. I have always said McNabb was a mistake and that even though he talked about a long term plan of youth, he abandoned that plan in year 1 to try and win now. Year 2, what QB? As much as people complain about Rex/Beck, who else was he getting. The main ones available were Gabbert, Dalton, or Kapernick in the draft, or to sign Hasselbeck as a FA. OK so how much are we winning with any of them? Dalton/Kaepernick would easily have been best, but do we go to the playoffs last year with either? No we dont. Dalton would have gotten pummeled behind our Oline. Kaepernick needed to sit last year to help develop. Do we get RG3 if we draft either of those 3? No we dont. I personally believe that RG3 is head and shoulders above all of those, and even with the extra draft picks, going after him is worth it.

We have been bad for almost 20 years. Signs that the future will be better are important. And I saw those last year. Yeah, the record sucked, but we actually have started adding younger pieces. And the future looks good. I didnt buy into Shanny's plan at all in year 1. Because he preached youth and went for win now with a crap roster. But year 2 and 3 have been about building a team. Year 3 we are seeing those signs pretty clearly. To change now is a huge mistake.

He didnt quote anybody when he said that. You are looking at another one of his posts.
edit: he quoted you in post 190 and practically agreed with you in his response. You quoted him in post 192 which I believe wasnt adressed to anyone in particular.

Lol, no dramatics -- I was just pointing out that it is absurd to get angry about people answering in the negative to the thread's original question.

Oh and ^^^ this. I didn't say you were hating, spare me the dramatics

Lol, no dramatics -- I was just pointing out that it is absurd to get angry about people answering in the negative to the thread's original question.

Oh and ^^^ this. I didn't say you were hating, spare me the dramatics

Why is it that disagreeing with you involves being angry? You even pointed it out about asking the question, why ask the question if no opinions are allowed. Dont say you have the right to your opinion and that im angry if mine disagrees with you. You are entitled to your opinion and I am not trying to take that away. I disagree with your assessment that a year is wasted because you didnt realize that neither Rex/Beck were actually good QB's. But he still did the right thing by waiting for the guy to jump for at QB.

Also, I never said that you said I was hating. You might want to re-read all of that.

@ Punch

He quoted me then made a second post. The second post just looks like a continuation of the first post to me.

Ther is only one who is allowed to be Angry. I absolve everyone else from the emotion and title.

Its just football gents.

Edit: Actually I have no authority to do that...fight on gents!