Who are the Coach Killers?

So has Rivers' play.

That game where he basically played on one leg was gutsy and impressive, but he's had more mistakes from his hot head than hero performances.

I do agree though, his GM and basically entire team is a mess, but a Pro Bowl QB should be able to hide a lot. It hasn't with Rivers. Look at his last couple of seasons...20 INTs last year and already 14 this year. He's starting to fall apart from where he used to be. He's still an accurate passer, but he's starting to look just like Jay Cutler, a boom or bust guy who will make mistakes in tough situations...and won't act like a man about it.

I'd chalk up his INTs to him trying to do too much with the limited talent around him.

So has Rivers' play.

That game where he basically played on one leg was gutsy and impressive, but he's had more mistakes from his hot head than hero performances.

I do agree though, his GM and basically entire team is a mess, but a Pro Bowl QB should be able to hide a lot. It hasn't with Rivers. Look at his last couple of seasons...20 INTs last year and already 14 this year. He's starting to fall apart from where he used to be. He's still an accurate passer, but he's starting to look just like Jay Cutler, a boom or bust guy who will make mistakes in tough situations...and won't act like a man about it.

Losing LT was big. Sproles hurt big time, Vincent Jackson has been a monster(his stats this year have been jaw dropping)...Rivers been hurt by lose of talent. Still dont know why they let Sproles walk.

I don't get this list. If you're a QB on a team who may be fired you're a coach killer?I think I see what the OP's saying, talking about bad personnel decisions leading to coaches getting fired, and I agree with you, SS. Cause and effect aren't that strongly linked here.

I thought this thread would be about players that threw the coach under the bus, and the coach ended up getting fired. But since we're talking about players not trying to get coaches fired, just thru poor performance...

Jason Campbell qualifies as a coach killer as much as the others listed. It's telling that Joe Gibbs drafted him to be our QB long term, and the two times we made the playoffs was with Campbell on the bench. Once with Todd Collins, who wouldn't start anywhere without Saunder's 700 page playbook present. (But that '07 run was great, just overshadowed by ST21's murder.)

Vinny Cerrato and Jim Zorn's careers were absolutely tied to finally developing Campbell into a star QB, dumping Saunders and benching Collins after Gibbs left. And Shanahan wasted little time trading Campbell afterwards.

Carson Palmer to Oakland was a coach killer move for Oakland. The Sanchez/Tebow moves are coach killers. I could be wrong, but I think NOT getting RG3 helped kill Holgrem as GM.

I think I see what the OP's saying, talking about bad personnel decisions leading to coaches getting fired, and I agree with you, SS. Cause and effect aren't that strongly linked here.

I thought this thread would be about players that threw the coach under the bus, and the coach ended up getting fired. But since we're talking about players not trying to get coaches fired, just thru poor performance...

Jason Campbell qualifies as a coach killer as much as the others listed. It's telling that Joe Gibbs drafted him to be our QB long term, and the two times we made the playoffs was with Campbell on the bench. Once with Todd Collins, who wouldn't start anywhere without Saunder's 700 page playbook present. (But that '07 run was great, just overshadowed by ST21's murder.)

Vinny Cerrato and Jim Zorn's careers were absolutely tied to finally developing Campbell into a star QB, dumping Saunders and benching Collins after Gibbs left. And Shanahan wasted little time trading Campbell afterwards.

Carson Palmer to Oakland was a coach killer move for Oakland. The Sanchez/Tebow moves are coach killers. I could be wrong, but I think NOT getting RG3 helped kill Holgrem as GM.

I thought the Tebow thing was more of the owners then the coach.

My idea of a coach killer is a guy who puts up numbers or teases you to the point where you think you can win with him, but in the end he just isn't able to get a team over the top and therefore leads to the coach who put too much faith in him getting fired.

So that said I wouldn't put JC on the coach killer list.

I was hoping Jason Campbell would amount to something. I'm still trying to figure out seven years later what Joe Gibbs saw in him. Gibbs should have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Jason Campbell.

My idea of a coach killer is a guy who puts up numbers or teases you to the point where you think you can win with him, but in the end he just isn't able to get a team over the top and therefore leads to the coach who put too much faith in him getting fired.

So that said I wouldn't put JC on the coach killer list.

That's pretty much what I had in mind as the definition of Coach Killer. My mind might have wandered away from that definition a bit in some cases.

As for JC, I felt that he showed a strong arm and the ability to make some plays his legs. He often moved the team well only to fail to convert touchdowns in the Red Zone. I felt for quite a while that he might get over the hump and become a good NFL starter but he never did. That's why I mentioned him.

I thought the Tebow thing was more of the owners then the coach.Oh yeah, in most of these situations, the coach is the scapegoat for the owner's decisions, players, etc. Agree totally.

I was hoping Jason Campbell would amount to something. I'm still trying to figure out seven years later what Joe Gibbs saw in him. Gibbs should have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Jason Campbell.

SF should have drafted Rodgers #1 overall.

A lot of teams made a big mistake that day.

I was hoping Jason Campbell would amount to something. I'm still trying to figure out seven years later what Joe Gibbs saw in him. Gibbs should have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Jason Campbell.

Someone who was smart, athletic, and could fight his guts out.