Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)

Well you have to look at the whole D.

We're shutting down the run, we're causing a ton of turnovers...but that secondary is getting torched. I can't blame Haslett for the personnel he was given to work with, which at the safety position is just complete garbage. Even this season, our CBs are playing well for the majority of the games but the secondary, mainly the safeties are giving up multiple HUGE pass plays every game. They can't be consistent for the whole game.

That's not a coaching issue, that's a personnel issue. Maybe Allen and Shanahan actually had confidence in the guys they brought in (Jackson, Meriweather, Williams, Minnifield)...or maybe this is what the cap penalty dealt us in 2012. We had a ton of positions to address in the offseason and weren't able to hit all of them with the money we had to work with.

I'm leaning towards keeping Haslett but also making the #1 priority this offseason to re-make the secondary. Hit it hard in the draft AND free agency and give Haslett so much talent to work with that if he does fail again, it's clearly all on him. We need to go after the best players available. No more trying to piece a secondary together. Wilson can stay, he's having a great year. Hall...bring someone in and make him work for his paycheck, or maybe try him at safety or nickel corner. Safety...none of the current starters should be starters.

Well you have to look at the whole D.

We're shutting down the run, we're causing a ton of turnovers...but that secondary is getting torched. I can't blame Haslett for the personnel he was given to work with, which at the safety position is just complete garbage. Even this season, our CBs are playing well for the majority of the games but the secondary, mainly the safeties are giving up multiple HUGE pass plays every game. They can't be consistent for the whole game.

That's not a coaching issue, that's a personnel issue. Maybe Allen and Shanahan actually had confidence in the guys they brought in (Jackson, Meriweather, Williams, Minnifield)...or maybe this is what the cap penalty dealt us in 2012. We had a ton of positions to address in the offseason and weren't able to hit all of them with the money we had to work with.

I'm leaning towards keeping Haslett but also making the #1 priority this offseason to re-make the secondary. Hit it hard in the draft AND free agency and give Haslett so much talent to work with that if he does fail again, it's clearly all on him. We need to go after the best players available. No more trying to piece a secondary together. Wilson can stay, he's having a great year. Hall...bring someone in and make him work for his paycheck, or maybe try him at safety or nickel corner. Safety...none of the current starters should be starters.

I agree 200%, but I do sometimes wonder about Haslett idkkkk

i'd have to say our "solid" run D has a lot more to do with other teams seeing a weak secondary and choosing to make it explode on sundays.

we couldn't get the steelers to stop running the ball and eating clock and we can't stop anyone from passing. it's pretty tragic.

If you really think our defense was good last ywar your delusional.and didnt watch all of the games. We let all the teams thar had a good offense destroy us we onlt took advantage of the rams and surprise giants and one good mnf dallas game. Other than that it was not pretty or good .

We can have a secondary which will help but our pass rush is not good even with orakpo and carriker we domt have a 3-4 defenase. Notice the steelers and ravens and texans they have the right guys and coordinators we sont have the right staff either ive read we have a 4-3 staff for the 3-4.

Our D wasnt good last year at all imo i mean it was better with landry and oj but not really good.

Lets go back to the 4-3 and just try it out all of our players other than bowen have 4-3 .

I watched all the games ma'am, and that defense was ranked in the better half of the league. I said that defense was capable, or for a better word, acceptable enough that should you have the right offense (like the one we have now) you could go to the playoffs and win. Just look at Atlanta and the Giants right now. They are arguably 2 of the best teams in the NFL. Atlantas defense ranks 20, NYs ranks 23, ours last year ranked 13th. Again the defense was not the problem last year it was the offense, and now we've fixed the offense but because this team can never have good balance its back to the defense sucking and the offense being good.

i forgot what a blitz looks like

I don't believe any D-Coordinator could succeed with our secondary.

Otherwise, our D is pretty solid in the front 7 and now that we've spent 2-3 years stocking our roster with 3-4 defenders, it would be stupid to go back to a 4-3 and spend another 3 years shuffling players back to that scheme. Fletcher, Cofield, Orakpo and Kerrigan can play in any scheme...the others are questionable. Maybe Bowen?

Move Rak and Kerrigan to DE? Then who plays LB?

We need to stay on the course we're on and not abandon the 3-4 so early. It we're in Year #5 and it's not working, sure, scrap the experiment but not yet...not before we've even assembled an entire 3-4 roster with quality players.

I think one of the main reasons for the secondary's lack of depth now might be because we had to fill in the front 7 with 3-4 players in the transition. In my opinion, the transition is not yet complete until we restock the secondary. THEN we can fairly judge Haslett's and the 3-4 scheme's performance.

Look at who we've added in the last three years on the Front 7 in the 3-4 switchover:

Orakpo
Kerrigan
Cofield
Bowen
Jenkins
Nield
K. Robinson
Blades
Kehl
Carriker
Riley
C. Wilson
Jarmon (traded)
R. Jackson
M. White
Worthington
D. Scott
V. Holliday (traded)


That's a load of quality defenders...but doesn't leave a lot of room or money left for the secondary. In the beginning of the transition, our secondary was decent with Carlos Rogers and Hall at CB and Landry and Atogwe with plenty of serviceable depth.

Reload the secondary and see if Haslett can do the job. THEN make the decision. Remember, starting over with a new DC and/or scheme will not produce immediate success either. I think we need to see this 3-4 implementation completely through..meaning addressing all 11 positions on D.

I don't believe any D-Coordinator could succeed with our secondary.

Otherwise, our D is pretty solid in the front 7 and now that we've spent 2-3 years stocking our roster with 3-4 defenders, it would be stupid to go back to a 4-3 and spend another 3 years shuffling players back to that scheme. Fletcher, Cofield, Orakpo and Kerrigan can play in any scheme...the others are questionable. Maybe Bowen?

Move Rak and Kerrigan to DE? Then who plays LB?

We need to stay on the course we're on and not abandon the 3-4 so early. It we're in Year #5 and it's not working, sure, scrap the experiment but not yet...not before we've even assembled an entire 3-4 roster with quality players.

I think one of the main reasons for the secondary's lack of depth now might be because we had to fill in the front 7 with 3-4 players in the transition. In my opinion, the transition is not yet complete until we restock the secondary. THEN we can fairly judge Haslett's and the 3-4 scheme's performance.

Look at who we've added in the last three years on the Front 7 in the 3-4 switchover:

Orakpo
Kerrigan
Cofield
Bowen
Jenkins
Nield
K. Robinson
Blades
Kehl
Carriker
Riley
C. Wilson
Jarmon (traded)
R. Jackson
M. White
Worthington
D. Scott
V. Holliday (traded)


That's a load of quality defenders...but doesn't leave a lot of room or money left for the secondary. In the beginning of the transition, our secondary was decent with Carlos Rogers and Hall at CB and Landry and Atogwe with plenty of serviceable depth.

Reload the secondary and see if Haslett can do the job. THEN make the decision. Remember, starting over with a new DC and/or scheme will not produce immediate success either. I think we need to see this 3-4 implementation completely through..meaning addressing all 11 positions on D.

Maybe but Wade Phillips took the worst defense in the NFL and made them into a top 5 defense in one season...

Wade Phillips doesn't have our secondary. :D

My "sources" came from posting on the Broncos forum back in 2010 when I was trying to find out certain aspects about Shanahan's coaching such as his system, handling of players, drafting, etc. In response to my inquiries I got more then one person talking about how they missed Shanahan and how firing him was a mistake. Of course this was during the McDaniels era so I guess from that perspective you could take it with a grain of salt.

Still safe to say I love offenses that produce great rushers like they're nothing and make things much easier for the Quarterback.

I stand corrected. A fan forum woud be the place to inquire...well done.

What matters more? That an oil man thinks Shanahan is an ahole, or that people in the NFL think he's a good coach?

Neither to me. I shouldn't even have posted that.