Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

I was struck by the matter of fact manner you use. I must ask, to make your statement carry any weight or validity....what exactly is your experience on subject matters such as this? What is your level of expertise in NFL matter?

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Too many examples to list of coaches that turn a broken franchise around and achieve a winning record and/or even the playoffs. But top of my mind: Lions, Niners, Bengals, and of course Redskins in Gibbs II.

So I guess observation is my answer. Three years is a long time in any sport, but the way NFL promotes parity through it's structure (think about how baseball doesn't have a salary cap) I think you see it here the most.

Sooo, to extrapolate, you have no actual practical experience in any NFL or sports related field? No expertise to be relied on. Nothing that would lend credence or validity to your statements.
Your a...fan....like so many others...HTTR

Sooo, to extrapolate, you have no actual practical experience in any NFL or sports related field? No expertise to be relied on. Nothing that would lend credence or validity to your statements.
Your a...fan....like so many others...HTTR

I guess if you want to ignore the rest of the league it's your choice? Not sure why you'd do that, but maybe you can enlighten me?

No, I think all the important facts have already been revealed.....

^^ No idea what that's supposed to mean...neither do you, I suspect lol. Any honest person can speak to how quickly other coaches/regimes have turned a losing team into a winner. The bigger point, in fact the real issue, is that Mike's regime hasn't succeeded because of its own failures and nothing to do with what happened four, or five, or eight years ago. When you count up the failed FA signings etc of this regime it's right there with the three preceeding years.

Too many examples to list of coaches that turn a broken franchise around and achieve a winning record and/or even the playoffs. But top of my mind: Lions, Niners, Bengals, and of course Redskins in Gibbs II.

So I guess observation is my answer. Three years is a long time in any sport, but the way NFL promotes parity through it's structure (think about how baseball doesn't have a salary cap) I think you see it here the most.

Some of these teams that were turned around arent exactly model franchises. Lions had a QB that finally stop being injured. They had one good year and are struggling again. Niners was more about Singletary than anything else. They actually had a good team, just one that refused to play for a guy that relied on insults instead of coaching. The Bengals are the same inconsistent team they usually are with a random winning season here and there. The record is a little better as a whole than 10 years ago but no one considers them world beaters. If the Bengals are what we are aspiring to be, then why care who our coach is?

The situations of all three were completely different than what the Redskins had three years ago.

The biggest problem is that the Redskins have been run by a fan. One that calls for heads to roll after a year or two, and that has been one of the problems of this team. There has been no continuity or chemistry. Especially given that Snyder will most likely look to go back to the days of Snyderatto if he fires Shanny. Which does not mean winning, in case you missed the last 20 years.

To say we are no closer to being competitive is to call RG3 a scrub. There is no way that statement is even remotely true. I get that a lot want to win something so bad that going back to winning the offseason every year is a goal. Its just a stupid goal. Win today or be fired tomorrow is not going to cut it in the NFL. We have been through 20 years of that and some are desperate to go back. I am personally not that excited about winning the offseason just so fans can claim that we have won something.

Shanny has been here 2 1/2 years. Second year was a lockout so FA was not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. First year Shanny deserves a lot of blame, because he actually thought he could win now. He deserves his fair share for that but it seems we are moving to build through the draft the last two drafts and I dont want that to stop. A coaching change now just means a brand new O-line being put in place (since the ZBS isnt exactly common) as well as massive changes to everything else. How long will that rebuild take? According to some here, it should only take 3 games. I call bs to that assertion. Does he deserve 10 years? No, and I never said he should get it. But this carousel at coaching and philosophies will never work.

As for Parity, the last 10 or so years, the same parity has existed in MLB as has in the NFL. 3 teams won it all twice with a few breakthroughs from a couple of other teams.

If the goal is to ruin RG3, then by all means, keep screaming for a new coach every year.

........Nice, Skinzman

Out of 8 games, there has only been one we werent in. That didnt happen all that much the last few years.

Im still a believer that most teams went ultra conservative with us the last few years (or like the Giants last year, just assumed the win was guaranteed as long as they showed up and gave a half-ass effort). Most teams knew that as long as they werent giving up pick 6's to our defense, they would most likely win. We had no offense, so there was no reason to put in game plans to try and score 30 points against us and risk our defense scoring points. Its not that teams didnt want to score like crazy on us, they just knew that there was no reason to risk a play when you could just punt knowing that the ball would come back with no points scored by the Skins. Get a TD or two, then laugh as Rex/Beck/McNabb/Cambell ect. tried to get us back into the game.

I think we are getting teams best efforts and best game plans this year, and are staying right with them even with the terrible defense that we have.

Might be the case during a certain game that a team took us for granted but no way every game. Thats insanity. Its the nfl. No team took a seven point lead over us and shut down shop. Bottom line is our offense is better and our defense is worse. Now we lose 35-32 instead of 17-10. Its that simple. Teams may fear rg-3 but they know they are going to put up huge points. So the flipside of your argument would be that teams know they can let us score and it doesnt matter because they are going to score even quicker. But i think thats just as ridiculous. Unless your an albert haynesworth type player you are out there to play every down. No way coaches are telling players last year - "hey guys - take it easy dont get hurt this team cant score. ". Thats just silly.


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Might be the case during a certain game that a team took us for granted but no way every game. Thats insanity. Its the nfl. No team took a seven point lead over us and shut down shop. Bottom line is our offense is better and our defense is worse. Now we lose 35-32 instead of 17-10. Its that simple. Teams may fear rg-3 but they know they are going to put up huge points. So the flipside of your argument would be that teams know they can let us score and it doesnt matter because they are going to score even quicker. But i think thats just as ridiculous. Unless your an albert haynesworth type player you are out there to play every down. No way coaches are telling players last year - "hey guys - take it easy dont get hurt this team cant score. ". Thats just silly.


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Or you could discuss what I was talking about. Coaches want to win, its less about winning by 50 than it is to win a game, regardless of the score. The game plans we saw the last few years have been more conservative. Because a game plan to score 30 or 40 was not needed. As well as play calling. OC's were not dialing up the plays that they are this year. If first down lost yardage, some OC's ran out the series and punted instead of being more risky. It has nothing to so with telling the players to let off, and has to do with play calling, realizing that a punt was a lot better than risking an int. while going for a TD.

Teams accepted that their game plans and play calling would result in more punts and less points. They just didnt care, because they didnt need to score every series to get the win, and that win is all they care about.

But top of my mind: Lions, Niners, Bengals, and of course Redskins in Gibbs II.

I think you have selective or fuzzy memory.


Jim Schwartz -Lions:

1st year - 2-14 (drafted stafford with #1)
2nd year- 6-10 (drafted Suh with #2)
3rd year- 10-6
4th year - 3-4

This your idea of a turnaround? Mike hasn't ever been in the #1 or #2 slot drafting, nor has he had one of the best players in the NFL in Calvin Johnson, who Schwartz had. Mike's first 2 years were a lot better than Jim Schwartz who you mysteriously are crediting with a "turn around". Are you blind?



Jim Harbaugh - 49ers

1st year -13-3
2nd year 6-2

Lets look at the talent Jim inherited.

NaVorro Bowman
Patrick Willis (1st rounder)
Frank Gore
Joe Staley (1st rounder)
Anthony Davis (1st rounder)
Andy Lee
Vernon Davis (1st rounder)
Justin Smith
Michael Crabtree (1st rounder)

Dude, Jim had a all-pro type of talent he inherited. He didn't turn shit around. Mike Singletary simply couldn't coach or at least get his players to respond. Dude had a solid OL to boot, and a pro-bowl running back to go along with a incredible defense. If Mike inherited this type of talent and our record was anything like it is now, I would be right along with you hating.


Marvin Lewis- Bengals

Are you ****ing shitting me man? Marvin Lewis is sporting a .480 win percentage in Cincinnati since 2003

1st year - 8-8
2nd year 8-8
3rd year - 11-5 (lost wild card game)
4th year -8-8
5th year - 7-9
6th year - 4-11
7th year - 10-6 (lost wild card game)
8th year- 4-12
9th year- 9-7 (lost wild card game)
10th year- 3-4

Are you kidding me? Where is the "turn around"? They've been the playoffs only 3 times in that span and lost the wild card game each time? Is this the turn around you dream of?


Joe Gibbs 2.0 - Redskins

1st year - 6-10 (they were 9-7 year before)
2nd year 10-6 (lost divisional playoff game)
3rd year- 5-11
4th year - 9-7 (lost wild card game)

NOT a turn around. I'm not even going to bother researching all the stupid ass trades Gibbs/Cerrato did during this time all to "WIN NOW".....and they really couldn't even do that. All those draft picks and contracts they handed out for vets and FA and the best they could manage was a 10-6? Really?



C'mon man!!!