Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

It's pathetic but what a lot of us have been saying for a long time. Mike needs to pick a DC and then basically get out of the way.

Yeah, ShanahaN shows up 2 years ago.. Gives the DC his way and doesn't have a say.Defense still fails badly, and everyone is saying..

WHAT'S WRONG WITH SHANAHAN? WHY DOESN'T HE HAVE SAY ON WHO IS ON HIS DEFENSE? WAH BLAH BLAH WAH WAH.

I'm going to be on fire today guys.. Getting pumped for the game, so ill take it out on the special ones here.

Yeah, ShanahaN shows up 2 years ago.. Gives the DC his way and doesn't have a say.Defense still fails badly, and everyone is saying..

WHAT'S WRONG WITH SHANAHAN? WHY DOESN'T HE HAVE SAY ON WHO IS ON HIS DEFENSE? WAH BLAH BLAH WAH WAH.

I'm going to be on fire today guys.. Getting pumped for the game, so ill take it out on the special ones here.

Gotta disagree on this, HC might have final say, but in functional units the DC's opinions and desire probably get a whole lot of pull. Doesn't sound like this is the case, and you can see on the field that the team isn't functioning so since Shanahan put his people in, it's on him.

Gotta disagree on this, HC might have final say, but in functional units the DC's opinions and desire probably get a whole lot of pull. Doesn't sound like this is the case, and you can see on the field that the team isn't functioning so since Shanahan put his people in, it's on him.

Oh I agree actually.. I was just commenting on what half the community would be saying if the roles were reversed. :)

Yeah, ShanahaN shows up 2 years ago.. Gives the DC his way and doesn't have a say.Defense still fails badly, and everyone is saying..

WHAT'S WRONG WITH SHANAHAN? WHY DOESN'T HE HAVE SAY ON WHO IS ON HIS DEFENSE? WAH BLAH BLAH WAH WAH.

I'm going to be on fire today guys.. Getting pumped for the game, so ill take it out on the special ones here.
Yeah he's done a wonderful
Job so far. Putting position coaches coaching positions they've never coached before..not allowing the DC to have any imput on who his assistants are
Bring it on man. You're assuming if he got out of the way the defense would fail. Guess what genius? The defense IS failing and couldn't be a whole hell of a lot worse.
If you can't see a problem with anything Shanahan does maybe you'd be better off just sitting back and reading instead of posting a bunch of blind BS. On fire? If ignorance is fire you're blazing right now.

Shanny won't be fired this season as the acquisition of RGIII has pretty much guaranteed him another year, however, how he finishes this season, I feel, will definitely have an effect on the earnestness to produce emphatic results in ’13.

If we’re 3-6 by this time next season, Shanny won’t be lent nearly the same latitude he’s receiving this year. He’s getting a lot of leeway this season because he’s grooming a rookie QB and certain “growing pains” were to be expected.

But in year two for RGIII/year four for Shanny, it’ll certainly be a different story, especially considering how evident its becoming that it’s not RGIII’s maturity as a passer that’s costing the team so much as it is the talent around him. According to Michael Lombardi, absolutely all football matters – including all talent decisions – are incumbent upon Mike Shanahan, so any and all liability will rest squarely on the coach’s shoulders.

I’ve been an outspoken advocate of the Shana-plan since the start; though, if I’m being honest, the loss to Carolina definitely had me second guessing ever hitching a ride on Shanny’s bandwagon as I questioned in moments during and after the game whether his decision making was really making a difference.

Like Lombardi, I don’t have any reservations about Shanny’s tactical brilliance. When players stay focused and execute, we’ve seen the results his teams can produce, but his coaching isn’t so much what’s in question as it is his ability to assess talent.

According to Lombardi, the scouting department never changed over. Apparently, we’ve got the same scouts here from the Cerrato administration.

Considering that Shanny has spent the last three seasons cleaning house and doing away with nearly every piece of talent this crack team of scouts had brought here for nearly a decade prior, it’s almost inconceivable that he hasn’t brought in his own team of evaluators.

But nevertheless, I like a lot of what Shanahan has done to help this team in the talent department since he's been here.

Am I ecstatic about RGIII? Of course I am.

Am I thrilled with our 6th round pick out of Florida Atlantic, Alfred Morris? Without question.

Cofield? Love him.

Bowen? Same.

But it seems for every reliable Trent Williams and Ryan Kerrigan, there is an unaccountable Tim Hightower or Jamal Brown – promising players at skill positions that we’ve banked our seasons on who can’t stay on the field.

Now, I don’t fault Shanahan for having to bargain hunt, as I believe many grossly underestimate just how badly Vinny & Danny had/have screwed this franchise in terms of picks and cap, but for all of his shopping, at some point he’s got to start finding some healthy product, because it would seem other teams are doing more with perceivably less – namely the Colts, who presently sit 5-3 with an interim head coach, a rookie QB and a roster full of nobodies.

If he is, in fact, the true GM, Shanny has to start finding guys who are not only capable of playing at a high level, but able to survive week-in and week-out in this league, because just as much as depth, durability has become a clear area for concern for this football team.

In my opinion, it’s less about the talent and more about the durability of this squad. If this team under Shanahan is ever going to win, his players have to stay healthy and on the field one way or another.

Because whether it's bad scouting or bad luck, it isn't going to save his job come this time next year.

I'm editing to state that personally I'm willing to stay the course until said time comes to "evaluate talent" again.

excuses excuses excuses. Too bad excuses don't have a sharp point, rounded edges and a wooden handle.

Then Shanahan could use them to dig himself out of his 3-6 hole.

Either Slowik has pictures of Shanahan with another woman or is his gay lover.

Him and Reed Doughty.

I don't think it's that big a deal that Slowik hasn't coached LBs before, it's not uncommon for coaches to move around within positions on the same side of the field. It's probably a bigger deal that he's just generally not seen as a great coach. Why that is I don't know. I think it also doesn't help that Spanos and Olivadotti before then were so tight with their unit just in terms of personality and Slowik not as much. But I mean I've never heard that Slowik is a bad or distant person. For whatever reason, Shanahan likes keeping him around. I suspect that won't happen for long

As for the scouting department not changing, what exactly is he talking about. Several scouts have been added/re-assigned. Is Lombardi talking about Morocco Brown and Scott Campbell. I guess I could see his point there. But Brown is highly regarded league wide (and loved by Dan Snyder, which doesn't hurt) and Campbell has been there since Marty and is the perfect foot soldier. Plus, maybe if Vinny listened to some of his suggestions (draft Jordy not Malcolm) things might be a bit different today.

I know, well we all know I think, that Doug Williams very nearly came here back in 2010 but would that be better than what we have today?

From what I've read Brown is a likely GM candidate one day as..maybe not as strongly...is Campbell. I wonder how much influence they actually have with Shanny? I have a better understanding of how personell decisions are made after your thread about these things but as in the case with Vinny...I guess how much importance is given to their opinions varies depending on the GM/ HC.

From what I've read Brown is a likely GM candidate one day as..maybe not as strongly...is Campbell. I wonder how much influence they actually have with Shanny? I have a better understanding of how personell decisions are made after your thread about these things but as in the case with Vinny...I guess how much importance is given to their opinions varies depending on the GM/ HC.

Morocco Brown would probably make a solid GM, rather have him than Campbell.


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