Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

Me, Gtripp, goat and Mechanix have uttered these same things - especially about cutting RG-3's lost years at one instead of letting Shanny waste 3 of his years - and we literally get laughed at. All I hear is Shanny is on the right track - over, and over, and over.

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The road to nowhere.

stairway to heaven :argue:

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lmao - cant believe you had an obscure cosby show scene on hand for that.

Im going to go out on a limb here and say that if one of us had posted exactly what HTTR 24-7 had (because I believe we have), that NC skins reply would not have been "please rant" and "i agree" - not by a mile.

There is now someone who is alittle more respected as an "in the know" guy (and for good reason), than us "haters" and he is bringing some credibility to what we have been saying. Bottom line is we have been saying the same thing.

So NC - me gtripp goat and mechanix are fools for doubting Shanny but HTTR 24-7 is spot on?
Im confused.
Edit: not sure how u can agree with everything that HTTR 24-7 has said but than say he will leave a solid foundation for the next guy. Suddenly you say he will not succeed here - yet every post you have made says that he is succeeding here - you have said repeatedly he is on the rite track - did u mean the rite track to failure?


You see what you want to see. I've pointed out quite a few mistakes that Mike has made, yet they go unnoticed to you. Disagree with a point you Shanny haters make and all of a sudden you are a apologist.

I don't think he'll end up succeeding here because I believe his hole was too deep to start with, not because he's a has been or incapable. Couple that with some of mistakes (Haslett/McNabb/Brown) he made at the beginning and it may very well end up doing him in. That said, I'm not wanting him fired.


The difference between me and you guys is, you expect a complete turnaround within 3 years or fire the guy. It's the same mentality that Dan Snyder has, and the same mentality that has caused this franchise to be abysmal the past decade. None of you have still showed me where a person has taken a team as dreadful as ours, and turned it into a consistent contender. Key word here is consistent. I don't want one year of 11-5. I want 10+ wins on a consistent basis, with 10 being a "down" year.

You don't correct 15+ years of horrible mismanagement in 2-1/2 years. You also can't compare us to other people. Each situation is different, and what works for one franchise, may not work for us.

Also, you fail to take into consideration a multitude of factors.

1) Restricted free agency his first year here. Nobody worth a damn on market

2) Lockout. Shortened FA period coupled with a 36 million cap hit hours before FA starts.

3) Injuries to key players and starters. (not backups or scrubs)

4) Inherited one of the oldest teams in the NFL with absolutely NO depth or no youth.


That is what I call a decked stacked against you. Sure, you think some brilliant guy could have came in and done this with all this against him, but why do you think Gruden and many other coaches said no to us? Because it was a god awful situation and they KNEW they wouldn't be able to turn it around before fans like yourself started calling for their head. I'm still shocked Mike agreed to coach this garbage pale that Vinny and Gibbs left him.

You see what you want to see. I've pointed out quite a few mistakes that Mike has made, yet they go unnoticed to you. Disagree with a point you Shanny haters make and all of a sudden you are a apologist.I don't think he'll end up succeeding here because I believe his hole was too deep to start with, not because he's a has been or incapable. Couple that with some of mistakes (Haslett/McNabb/Brown) he made at the beginning and it may very well end up doing him in. That said, I'm not wanting him fired.


The difference between me and you guys is, you expect a complete turnaround within 3 years or fire the guy. It's the same mentality that Dan Snyder has, and the same mentality that has caused this franchise to be abysmal the past decade. None of you have still showed me where a person has taken a team as dreadful as ours, and turned it into a consistent contender. Key word here is consistent. I don't want one year of 11-5. I want 10+ wins on a consistent basis, with 10 being a "down" year.

You don't correct 15+ years of horrible mismanagement in 2-1/2 years. You also can't compare us to other people. Each situation is different, and what works for one franchise, may not work for us.

Also, you fail to take into consideration a multitude of factors.

1) Restricted free agency his first year here. Nobody worth a damn on market

2) Lockout. Shortened FA period coupled with a 36 million cap hit hours before FA starts.

3) Injuries to key players and starters. (not backups or scrubs)

4) Inherited one of the oldest teams in the NFL with absolutely NO depth or no youth.


That is what I call a decked stacked against you. Sure, you think some brilliant guy could have came in and done this with all this against him, but why do you think Gruden and many other coaches said no to us? Because it was a god awful situation and they KNEW they wouldn't be able to turn it around before fans like yourself started calling for their head. I'm still shocked Mike agreed to coach this garbage pale that Vinny and Gibbs left him.

Fair enough - I dont think any of us would argue that he inherited a shit show.
Funny how you are labeled a "hater" when you are displeased with the win total going down - nobody expected a complete turnaround, a superbowl, or deep playoff runs. We simple expected a better product than what we have at year three - and it sounds like you expected the same.

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You just love that reference don't you?

You just love that reference don't you?

It's my go to. I have others but I think that one best captures why some posters here are better than others even if the message is the same

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More like timing there buddy boy. Some of us saw things clearly way earlier, that's all. It would have taken just one "authority" figure on TWP to stop the nonsensical defending of this regime, but you all chose to keep up the charade. Can't put that on anybody else.

To his credit Tripp saw it first, or at least said so first.