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I get your point, but also keep in mind Belichiek won without Brady for a year and went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and Mike McCarthy won with Bret Favre and Rodgers (so both those guys systems work) without their QBs. The other side of the argument is looking up stats of those coaches and see how they fared (like Walsh, Dungy, Levy, etc.) without a star QB. Shanahan without Elway was basically a guy that was just good enough to keep his job every year.

So 11-5 and 13-3 (lost in AFL championship game to the SB winner that year, The Steelers) records are "just good enough to keep his job every year"? He had both of those records after Elway left Denver. And he did it with subpar QB's.

Also as others love to point out about the Raiders, Chargers, and Chiefs all going 0-16 for 10 years straight while Shanny was in Denver, therefore being the only reason for his success. Well guess what, The Jets havent been relevant since Joe Namath, The Dolphins havent been relevant since Dan Marino, and the Bills havent been relevant since Jim Kelly.

When the claim is the other side of the argument is to look up stats, dont you think that makes it relevant to actually look up the stats instead of stating an opinion based on not looking up the stats?

Btw, did you honestly say that winning a SB with Favre and Rodgers is "winning without their QB's"? This argument gets more absurd every time it is brought up.

I can pretty much interchange any big time QB and their respective coach and it be true. Enjoy.


Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Brady is saving Bellicheat's ass from total failure with the Patriots.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Rodgers is saving McCarthy's ass from total failure with the Packers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Manning is saving Coughlin's ass from total failure with the Giants.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Brees is saving Payton's ass from total failure with the Saints.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Ryan is saving Smith's ass from total failure with the Falcons.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Montana saved Walsh's ass from total failure with the 49ers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Young saved Seifert's ass from total failure with the 49ers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Manning saved Dungy's ass from total failure with the Colts.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Kelly saved Levy's ass from total failure with the Bills.

You might believe the above, but I doubt it. If Belichick outlasts Brady he'll still lead a perennial contender. Matt Cassal whatshisname isn't much better than Rex, but he looked like Tom Brady under Belichick. Bottom line is most SB winning coaches hang it up shortly after winning a Lombardi or two, because it is damn hard. Of course, our very own Joe Gibbs showed how to win w/ different QBs, but we'll (conveniently) set that aside for now, eh? LOL at coaches/teams that haven't won a SB, let alone appeared in won :doh:

Since name-calling has been condoned in this very thread, I've got to call you out son as the classic TWP sycophant. Nary do you pass up an opportunity to ecstatically agree with a mod, or two.

And there's lists long as the above of coaches who one with pretty mediocre QB's. So what? Obfuscation cannot change the win-loss record for this regime. But like I said somewhere earlier, let's watch the season unfold and the results will speak for themselves.

Oh the opinions of the internet.

Congratulations to the Goat. First poster I have ever placed on my ignore list in eight years. Every time his name shows up, I'll just assume he has posted some variation on "Shanahan sucks" and go from there.

But then I am just a sycophantic apologist after all.

I don't pay attention to what the mainstream media (be it political, sports, or otherwise) says. Too much money, business, etc wrapped into anything associated with NBC, Fox, ESPN, NFLN. For instance, RG3 is to a very large degree a "brand" the NFL and all associated parties want to promote i.e. I would never expect "them" to point out plays getting blown up because the opposing defense read it before the ball was snapped.

Yeah why pay attention to people whose jobs it is to spend hours observing the team up close several days a week?

What I would point to, are some pretty insightful folks around here (not talking about myself here) who have pointed out the really, really questionable play-calls, play-designs. I think I see more of them, that's all. And the fact is Mike and Kyle, couldn't do ANYTHING with the offense w/o Griffin.

But the folks here who point out the strong play calling and designs are just "apologists" right.

My intuition is that we'd probably have a bit more intelligent discussion/debate here if the Shanny regime doubters didn't get sh!t on, called stupid etc etc. I honestly wondered if that's why GTripp stopped contributing.

Saying Shanahan has never done anything without Elway or that he befitted in playing in a weak division is incorrect and therefore a stupid opinion.

But again, whatevs, I don't really care if/when folks disagree w/ me, and that's why I continue to post and disagree when I want to. Not to say I haven't been wrong many a time about the Skins and lot's of other things. I admitted to being wrong when Landry had a good season w/ us, or was it half a season? And if someone named Shanahan starts winning in Washington I'll admit to being wrong on that too.

You'll find some way to spin it. Just like you're spinning it now.

There were a number of reasons why GTripp stopped contributing weekly breakdowns. With that said, everything I would have normally said in a breakdown I still pretty much say anyway. I just don't put it in a single post anymore.

So ... we're referring to ourselves in the third person now? Well, JoeRedskin isn't sure that's warranted. JoeRedskin gives you props for your insights and critiques, but JoeRedskin thinks you might be havin' an inflated self-esteem moment. JoeRedskin does not approve. JoeRedskin might need to find JoeRedskin's stamp of shame.

Sorry, it's Saturday morning and I haven't had my coffee yet. Plus, this thread needed a little levity.

GTripp you da bomb.

So ... we're referring to ourselves in the third person now? Well, JoeRedskin isn't sure that's warranted. JoeRedskin gives you props for your insights and critiques, but JoeRedskin thinks you might be havin' an inflated self-esteem moment. JoeRedskin does not approve. JoeRedskin might need to find JoeRedskin's stamp of shame.

Sorry, it's Saturday morning and I haven't had my coffee yet. Plus, this thread needed a little levity.

GTripp you da bomb.tGuXxHTgdWk

I don't pay attention to what the mainstream media (be it political, sports, or otherwise) says. Too much money, business, etc wrapped into anything associated with NBC, Fox, ESPN, NFLN. For instance, RG3 is to a very large degree a "brand" the NFL and all associated parties want to promote i.e. I would never expect "them" to point out plays getting blown up because the opposing defense read it before the ball was snapped.
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as a general skeptic of the media myself, I hear what you are trying to say, the only problem is it's not the right logical progression. Assuming the NFL and media outlets have branded Griffin the next Golden Goose, they would as you say minimize negative stories about him. The next logical step is to find the best scapegoat to put the blame on. In Washington over the years Snyder obviously would have been a perfect target, alas he has successfully backed off so that wouldn't stick. so next would be the Shanahans, and their playcalling. In fact, you could say McNabb got his job in part to take that role should it become necessary to protect Griffin and throw the Shanahans under the bus. But, when an offense is consistently ranking in the top, and is showcasing the Golden Goose's talent as rookie of the week talent nearly every week, the media hasn't felt the need to lambast the playcalling. It is running smmothly enough that the Golden Goose is having fun, and us fans ought to be enjoying it as well.

I get your point, but also keep in mind Belichiek won without Brady for a year and went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and Mike McCarthy won with Bret Favre and Rodgers (so both those guys systems work) without their QBs. The other side of the argument is looking up stats of those coaches and see how they fared (like Walsh, Dungy, Levy, etc.) without a star QB. Shanahan without Elway was basically a guy that was just good enough to keep his job every year.


WHo cares if they went 11-5 without Brady? They STILL missed the playoffs and were heavy favorites. Also, your point about McCarthy succeeding without Rodgers is invalid because you use Favre as an example. Last time I checked, Favre is one of the all-time greats, multiple MVP winner and a sure fire hall of famer. You didn't help your argument much.


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Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Favre saved McCarthy's ass from total failure with the Packers.

Historically, it seems to me, dynasties get created with a mix of two things - great coaching and great QBs. Sometimes it's more QB than coach. Other times the reverse. This is true even before the modern era (Paul Brown/Otto Graham, Luckman/Halas, Flaherty/Baugh).

Seven games into this season, it appears we have one-half of the equation in RGIII. Shanahan has shown he can be the other half but the question is can he be that again.