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Better question: how many SBs did Elway appear in w/o Shanahan? And Shanahan w/o Elway?

...pretty obvious who was the bigger contributor to success in Denver.

I'll take wins over appearances any day. 2-0 is better than 2-4.

I don't pay attention to what the mainstream media (be it political, sports, or otherwise) says. Too much money, business, etc wrapped into anything associated with NBC, Fox, ESPN, NFLN. For instance, RG3 is to a very large degree a "brand" the NFL and all associated parties want to promote i.e. I would never expect "them" to point out plays getting blown up because the opposing defense read it before the ball was snapped.

What I would point to, are some pretty insightful folks around here (not talking about myself here) who have pointed out the really, really questionable play-calls, play-designs. I think I see more of them, that's all. And the fact is Mike and Kyle, couldn't do ANYTHING with the offense w/o Griffin.

My intuition is that we'd probably have a bit more intelligent discussion/debate here if the Shanny regime doubters didn't get sh!t on, called stupid etc etc. I honestly wondered if that's why GTripp stopped contributing.

But again, whatevs, I don't really care if/when folks disagree w/ me, and that's why I continue to post and disagree when I want to. Not to say I haven't been wrong many a time about the Skins and lot's of other things. I admitted to being wrong when Landry had a good season w/ us, or was it half a season? And if someone named Shanahan starts winning in Washington I'll admit to being wrong on that too.

Spare me the woe is me routine. You're just as guilty tossing out the "apologists" BS every chance you get.

Keim and Campbell have no affiliation with the team and yet as we've seen with the Post in recent years, the local media aren't afraid of going toe to toe with the Redskins or tossing out harsh criticisms. If there really was a big issue with the play calling or schemes, I have to believe someone, anyone, out there in the media would have picked up on it by now. But yeah, I'm sure you with your DVR have cracked the case and really know what's going on behind the scenes. The proof is in the numbers, #3 in total offense, #5 in PPG. If you want to blast Shanahan for his personnel decisions on defense, fine, I have no problem there. But they clearly know what they're doing on offense now that they have a legit weapon at QB. Give credit where it's due, that's all I'm saying.

And let GTripp talk for himself. He has plenty of fans here.

I'll take wins over appearances any day. 2-0 is better than 2-4.

The point is Mike never did, and I strongly, strongly suspect never will, reach a championship w/o Elway, who is one of the best QBs (easily top 10) to ever play the game.

Mike had the benefit of playing in a lousy division most of his career. Now he's in a serious division, and he can't even manage to pull off a winning season.

I just don't understand why anybody not from Denver would hold Mike's coaching (and personnel acumen) in high esteem. Hell, as I've said before I know many Denver residents and diehard Bronco fans (lots of family and friends) who don't think Mike is worth a sh!t.

By the stuff I read here one would think he won those SBs in Washington in the last couple years.

Translation: Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly RG3 is saving both the Shanahans' asses from total failure with the Redskins.


I can pretty much interchange any big time QB and their respective coach and it be true. Enjoy.


Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Brady is saving Bellicheat's ass from total failure with the Patriots.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Rodgers is saving McCarthy's ass from total failure with the Packers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Manning is saving Coughlin's ass from total failure with the Giants.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Brees is saving Payton's ass from total failure with the Saints.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Ryan is saving Smith's ass from total failure with the Falcons.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Montana saved Walsh's ass from total failure with the 49ers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Young saved Seifert's ass from total failure with the 49ers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Manning saved Dungy's ass from total failure with the Colts.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Kelly saved Levy's ass from total failure with the Bills.

Mike had the benefit of playing in a lousy division most of his career.

Insert "You're Wrong" video here.

Look at the records from 94-08. The Chargers, Chiefs and Oakland all had several strong seasons and the division had several seasons of multiple 10+ win teams.

Does either matter now? No. He's got back to back double digit losing seasons here. Does that mean he has done nothing right here? Nope.

It just means he needs to do some winning.

There were a number of reasons why GTripp stopped contributing weekly breakdowns. With that said, everything I would have normally said in a breakdown I still pretty much say anyway. I just don't put it in a single post anymore.

Right, because he didn't win any games with guys like Plummer or Griese.

How many SBs did Elway win without Shanahan?

Didn't Mike go to an afc championship game with both of those guys?

That's like saying holmgren couldn't win a super bowl without brett. Even though he went wit Seattle years later. It's hard to win superbowls, people act like every good coach or qb should win multiple. Also saying Mike couldn't win without Elway is like saying the redskins will never win again without Joe Gibbs right?

Well QB's don't save coaches...winning does. A lot of the QB's mentioned had coaches before the ones they won SB's with. Griffen is unreal but he didn't do this without some coaching. A lot of unfortnate things have happened to this team beyond anyones control. Losing Tanard Jackson and injuries to Garcon..Davis..and practically every secondary FA we signed sure hasn't helped.

I can pretty much interchange any big time QB and their respective coach and it be true. Enjoy.


Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Brady is saving Bellicheat's ass from total failure with the Patriots.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Rodgers is saving McCarthy's ass from total failure with the Packers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Manning is saving Coughlin's ass from total failure with the Giants.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Brees is saving Payton's ass from total failure with the Saints.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Ryan is saving Smith's ass from total failure with the Falcons.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Montana saved Walsh's ass from total failure with the 49ers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Young saved Seifert's ass from total failure with the 49ers.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Manning saved Dungy's ass from total failure with the Colts.

Indeed, I believe wholeheartedly Kelly saved Levy's ass from total failure with the Bills.

I get your point, but also keep in mind Belichiek won without Brady for a year and went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and Mike McCarthy won with Bret Favre and Rodgers (so both those guys systems work) without their QBs. The other side of the argument is looking up stats of those coaches and see how they fared (like Walsh, Dungy, Levy, etc.) without a star QB. Shanahan without Elway was basically a guy that was just good enough to keep his job every year.