Redskins Sign RB Ryan Grant/Place Roy Helu Jr. on IR

(1) you realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (the hogs were the heaviest o-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" i saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by that opinion.

P.s.: John riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.p.s.: Being an old-timer, i am sure you remember jim brown calling franco harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and of course you recall that harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...

lol

Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?

If he's still breathing he better be out on the field! Injuries be damned. Broke your leg? Put some Robitussin on it and get back out on the f*cking field.

(sarcasm abound)

Nonsense.

Ever have turf toe? Or any sort of significant foot injury?

The guys you list were far from being "injury free".

Never had turf toe but I have had a bad left foot since I was very young. Ankle and foot problems plagued me back then and I still managed to be a starting safety at Theodore Roosevelt High School in D.C. in 1990 and 1991. I never bitched about how hurt I was. The pain became second nature and I limped through it until it healed somewhat. Today at 40 the same foot bothers me some(not as much as back then).

I still question Roy Helu's toughness.

Never had turf toe but I have had a bad left foot since I was very young. Ankle and foot problems plagued me back then and I still managed to be a starting safety at Theodore Roosevelt High School in D.C. in 1990 and 1991. I never bitched about how hurt I was. The pain became second nature and I limped through it until it healed somewhat. Today at 40 the same foot bothers me some(not as much as back then).

I still question Roy Helu's toughness.

Have you considered maybe the cause of your having a bad foot now is because you never let it heal properly and you played on it? I sprained my wrist, to the point where I couldn't rotate it, didn't go to the hospital till about 2 days in, gave me a brace which I only wore on and off, and still continued to work (manual labor) and although my wrist has healed it causes me pain sometimes and it's not as strong as it was before I sprained it (Well there goes my waitressing dreams).

It doesn't make sense to say, "oh well, I have an injury, F it!" I can understand if its something that's not debilitating or something that you can play on and still have it heal or protect it somehow.

Its not a matter of toughness its a matter of health. I'd rather be a healthy wimp than a tough fool.

(1) You realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (The Hogs were the heaviest O-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "Sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" I saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by that opinion.

P.S.: John Riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.P.S.: Being an old-timer, I am sure you remember Jim Brown calling Franco Harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and of course you recall that Harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...

The strength and the speed of the pro game has undoubtedly increased in the last two or three decades. Players have been delivering punishing, murderous hits to offensive players as far back as the 1960s. Jack Tatum, Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, were all fearsome hitters.

While the size and strength as well as speed of the players have increased, the impact of the hits is still the same. Of course players back then missed time, but in today's NFL, if a player is injured it's a given that he's going to miss some time. Back in 1981, Kellen Winslow Sr. played hurt for four quarters in a playoff game against the Miami Dolphins that the Chargers ultimately won. I haven't seen a player play injured with that degree or level of tenacity in the last 30 years. As recent as 2004, Terrell Owens played in the Super Bowl with a severely bum ankle that a lot of players today would miss the biggest game in football for because they can't suck it up and play.

Roy Helu Jr. is soft. He's a cream puff and you can't convince me otherwise.

Wasn't there a player recently who played an entire game with a broken bone in his arm ... as a long snapper ... who continued to snap and cover punts throughout the game ... didn't he play for a team we are all familiar with .... hmmmmm

What softies these modern players are.

This has to be the most injured (injury-prone) team in the league. I don't recall it ever being this bad before.

the Giants situation is pretty messed up this year; arguably worse off than ours.

Normally I don't think signing Grant would make a difference. But Shanahan has a way to get something out of backs that others think of as castaways. Plus Grant has experience running in zone blocking schemes like Mikey uses. Right now I think this could go either way so I'll wait and see how he does before I cast any thoughts.

I think Grant could be a nice fit and a solid contributor if he's healthy and good to go.

Normally I don't think signing Grant would make a difference. But Shanahan has a way to get something out of backs that others think of as castaways. Plus Grant has experience running in zone blocking schemes like Mikey uses. Right now I think this could go either way so I'll wait and see how he does before I cast any thoughts.

I agree with you and great song in the sig. Got that one on the ole' Ipod