All things Middle East related


hail2commanders
12-07-2024, 08:07 PM
Speaking of Trump, not exactly sure how to unpackage this incoherent mess:

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1865434273953509462

Giantone
12-07-2024, 08:12 PM
Speaking of Trump, not exactly sure how to unpackage this incoherent mess:

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1865434273953509462

Funny he blames Obama yet there have been 2 other Presidents since Obama and he is one of them, he is a DA.

Chico23231
12-07-2024, 09:15 PM
Speaking of Trump, not exactly sure how to unpackage this incoherent mess:

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1865434273953509462

Obama left the Middle East in shambles, Americans were dying from Isis inspired attacks all across the country, isis controlled a large territory in Iraq and Syria committing actual genocide against ethic minorities and fellow Muslims, and Obama administration were appeasing Iran allowing houthis in yeman to take power, supporting attacks against the saudis and other proxy militias were allowed to attack Americans

Trump did a much better job in the Middle East than Obama…it’s laughable to suggest otherwise.

hail2commanders
12-07-2024, 09:44 PM
In the tweet, Trump suggests that Obama shouldve held the red line (which at the time folks like Lindsay Graham were warning against getting involved), but at the end of the tweet, Trump says we dont have a dog in the fight. Also says Russia cant do anything there because they are bogged down in Ukraine.

An incoherent mess of a tweet.

BaltimoreSkins
12-07-2024, 11:03 PM
It certainly is in our interests to have that happen, the downside is potentially big - the possibility of an actual genocide (unlike the stupid claims of what Israel is doing in Gaza) against minorities (Shia, Alawites and Christians). We probably need to support our Kurdish and other western supported rebels to seize as much territory as possible to counter this.

Still self rationalizing the death of 40,000 Palestinian women and children I see. I know you are too intelligent to actually believe Israel is innocent

nonniey
12-08-2024, 12:39 AM
Still self rationalizing the death of 40,000 Palestinian women and children I see. I know you are too intelligent to actually believe Israel is innocent

No just pointing out 40K Palestinian women and children (I guess the latest narrative is that only women and children have been killed there now?) does not equate to a genocide. Claiming it is really takes away what a genocide is and undermines attempts at pointing out actual genocides (The old cry wolf effect).

CRedskinsRule
12-08-2024, 12:41 PM
Russia is abandoning it's bases in Syria. Assad has fled. Astounding how much Russia has lost, in land, military strength and respect, and now actual military bases due to it's over reach in Ukraine. I hope Trump recognizes Russia's increasing weakness and bullies them like he does his political opponents

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BaltimoreSkins
12-09-2024, 08:46 AM
No just pointing out 40K Palestinian women and children (I guess the latest narrative is that only women and children have been killed there now?) does not equate to a genocide. Claiming it is really takes away what a genocide is and undermines attempts at pointing out actual genocides (The old cry wolf effect).

It's not the narrative 70% of all victims have been women and children that is well documented. This also clearly fits the definition of a genocide:

a. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
b. Deliberately inflicting conditions of life that are intended to destroy the group
c. Refusing the movement of medicine and food to a group
d. Intentionally targeting and killing humanitarian aide workers and the buildings that hold those services.

If it is not genocide could we at least agree it is colonialization via murder?

nonniey
12-09-2024, 10:31 AM
It's not the narrative 70% of all victims have been women and children that is well documented. This also clearly fits the definition of a genocide:

a. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
b. Deliberately inflicting conditions of life that are intended to destroy the group
c. Refusing the movement of medicine and food to a group
d. Intentionally targeting and killing humanitarian aide workers and the buildings that hold those services.

If it is not genocide could we at least agree it is colonialization via murder?

And again, it goes back to deliberate tactics of HAMAs to maximize casualties within the Palestinian population. HAMAS intent was to prevent targeting of their assets by surrounding those assets with civilians. Israel made the decision not to acquiesce to those tactics which resulted in the large number of civilian casualties. As it wasn't the civilians who were the targets a, b and d above don't apply, and the claim of c. is a bit dubious as movement of medicine and food to Palestinians has occurred (with that also being targeted/restricted when HAMAS uses it for their purposes. (Here is a historical analogy - The Lusitania was sunk with heavy loss of civilian life - she was in fact carrying arms and thus was a legal target - politically it was a disaster for Germany as it contributed to the eventual US entry into the war - but still she was a legal target and ultimately no charges were brought against any Germans for her sinking).

mooby
12-10-2024, 07:15 AM
Russia is abandoning it's bases in Syria. Assad has fled. Astounding how much Russia has lost, in land, military strength and respect, and now actual military bases due to it's over reach in Ukraine. I hope Trump recognizes Russia's increasing weakness and bullies them like he does his political opponents

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This seems incredibly laughable given how Trump has repeatedly praised and deferred to Putin at every opportunity.

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