punch it in
08-18-2021, 03:44 PM
I want this to come out the right way. I wish no harm to the Afghans ,I feel for their plight and I am shocked at the photos coming out yet why are people mad now? We have been there for way over 20 years and the Army gave up and ran. We have suffered our own loss's and spent almost a trillion dollars and I ask when is enough enough? Two weeks ago no one was even thinking about this withdrawal and now it's the poor Afghans . A deal was stuck with the trump administration and Biden honor it for the safe guard for all had he not there would be more fighting . The Biden Administration screwed up the withdrawal but trump needs to keep his mouth shut ,it was his deal .
60,000 afghans died fighting the Taliban G-1. I wouldn’t say they won’t fight. But like us, and other countries have realized there is no stopping the warlords (who are now posing as a government), and Trump played a huge part in making them feel legitimate and a part of things just like he did the white trash in our own country.
punch it in
08-18-2021, 03:46 PM
He was horribly wrong and made a terrible decision (seriously damaging US interests and staining his legacy - am pretty sure he knows this) but that doesn't make this a lie imo - he was just wrong (foolish?).
He is addressing the situation at least which is more than Trump would have done. Your vote wasn’t a total throw away. If Trump had won, not only would he have done the same thing but he would now be doing nothing other than saying America first fuck Afghanistan.
SunnySide
08-18-2021, 04:28 PM
read an op-ed from Condelezza Rice (sp?) and she mentioned the South Korea approach.
Condense our presence to kabul and surrounding area (S Korea) then maintain a US military presence there, allow us to keep that strategically located air base open and basically keep 25k plus troops there indefinitely like we do in S Korea. That way we have a hub strategically right in the middle of the ME, have a strong ally in Afghanistan, would allow the women and children in Kabul and surrounding area a chance at freedom and give them time to strengthen their democracy. She said it took s korea longer than 20 years to figure out their democracy and they were more advanced than afghanistan.
We were never going to win over the rural areas.
Of course, this is hindsight and would require us to take this approach 20 years ago .. when the Condelleza Rice's of the world were running the show.
Chico23231
08-18-2021, 05:15 PM
Complete and utter disaster that Joe Biden created
Enough of the excuse making. Enough.
There are around what 10k Americans and 50-100k Afghanistan allies completely trapped
Enough with the excuses. This is Biden’a disaster and only his
Clowns defend him at this point
Let’s focus on the Americans right now. I think Biden should coalition build and account for all nations with people there and move to bring all options on.
nonniey
08-18-2021, 05:27 PM
read an op-ed from Condelezza Rice (sp?) and she mentioned the South Korea approach.
Condense our presence to kabul and surrounding area (S Korea) then maintain a US military presence there, allow us to keep that strategically located air base open and basically keep 25k plus troops there indefinitely like we do in S Korea. That way we have a hub strategically right in the middle of the ME, have a strong ally in Afghanistan, would allow the women and children in Kabul and surrounding area a chance at freedom and give them time to strengthen their democracy. She said it took s korea longer than 20 years to figure out their democracy and they were more advanced than afghanistan.
We were never going to win over the rural areas.
Of course, this is hindsight and would require us to take this approach 20 years ago .. when the Condelleza Rice's of the world were running the show.
We were essentially doing that approach (with fewer troops) since the Obama administration. Trump and Biden decided to shit-can that strategy.
nonniey
08-18-2021, 05:36 PM
Even Biden's own party is turning on him. (His Afghan catastrophe may wreck his Presidency much like Katrina wrecked Bush's).
"Biden finds few Capitol Hill allies amid Afghanistan backlash."
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/568297-biden-finds-few-capitol-hill-allies-amid-afghanistan-backlash
punch it in
08-18-2021, 06:10 PM
Even Biden's own party is turning on him. (His Afghan catastrophe may wreck his Presidency much like Katrina wrecked Bush's).
"Biden finds few Capitol Hill allies amid Afghanistan backlash."
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/568297-biden-finds-few-capitol-hill-allies-amid-afghanistan-backlash
Withdraw from a twenty year war is probably a little more difficult than sending aid to New Orleans. Bush had absolutely no excuse. Biden may or may not have had bad intelligence. We wont know how this will affect his presidency until the dust settles. Definitely not looking like it is going in the plus column at this point though.
punch it in
08-18-2021, 06:11 PM
Complete and utter disaster that Joe Biden created
Enough of the excuse making. Enough.
There are around what 10k Americans and 50-100k Afghanistan allies completely trapped
Enough with the excuses. This is Biden’a disaster and only his
Clowns defend him at this point
Let’s focus on the Americans right now. I think Biden should coalition build and account for all nations with people there and move to bring all options on.
You are so far off base you are in a different stadium.
Giantone
08-18-2021, 08:16 PM
Complete and utter disaster that Joe Biden created
Enough of the excuse making. Enough.
There are around what 10k Americans and 50-100k Afghanistan allies completely trapped
Enough with the excuses. This is Biden’a disaster and only his
Clowns defend him at this point
Let’s focus on the Americans right now. I think Biden should coalition build and account for all nations with people there and move to bring all options on.
LOL, this coming from trumps biggest cheerleader .
comrade chico is now worried about America .Funny shit there chico.
Giantone
08-18-2021, 08:18 PM
Even Biden's own party is turning on him. (His Afghan catastrophe may wreck his Presidency much like Katrina wrecked Bush's).
"Biden finds few Capitol Hill allies amid Afghanistan backlash."
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/568297-biden-finds-few-capitol-hill-allies-amid-afghanistan-backlash
Seriously that's not saying much ,their opinion changes with the wind .