All things Middle East related


mooby
08-16-2021, 09:41 AM
https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1426927462320066575

If I didn't know any better I'd swear this reminds me of someone else's agenda.

SunnySide
08-16-2021, 10:00 AM
I feel so bad for the people 30 and under. Weve been there for 20 years and all they knew was non-taliban life. Now, in short order, you have clothes stores painting over their window advertisements, music is banned ...

This is a sad day, lots of human fear and suffering going on

Giantone
08-16-2021, 10:56 AM
This is an epic failure. Look how the previous administration left the Middle East and what’s going on now.

Saigon on steroids…look at the airport in Kabal

And Cowardness by Biden to hide at this time is truly amazing. Adults are back!

.............you should be tried for treason chico.

It actually was his plan. You can take a look at the deal we signed in Doha under his administration. Should be noted that Trump as well wanted to meet with the Taliban at Camp David.

Here's what was in the agreement:

We would withdraw by May 1st (Original withdrawal deadline)
We release 5,000 Taliban fighters that were captured by us.
We lift all sanctions against the Taliban

This is what Trump said after the deal was signed:

"It's time after all these years to bring our people back home"
"time for someone else to do that work and it will be the Taliban and it could be surrounding countries"
"I really believe the Taliban wants to do something to show we're not all wasting time,"

Giantone
08-16-2021, 10:57 AM
I feel so bad for the people 30 and under. Weve been there for 20 years and all they knew was non-taliban life. Now, in short order, you have clothes stores painting over their window advertisements, music is banned ...

This is a sad day, lots of human fear and suffering going on

So why aren't they fighting for it, only America live must die to protect the Afghans is that it???

SunnySide
08-16-2021, 11:14 AM
So why aren't they fighting for it, only America live must die to protect the Afghans is that it???

Your reply to what I said is ... odd. Im not following.

Theres 9 year old girls that were going to school yesterday but not tomorrow.

Youre allowed to feel bad for people ... people in much worse situations than you or I could imagine.

JackLord
08-16-2021, 11:45 AM
.............you should be tried for treason chico.

It actually was his plan. You can take a look at the deal we signed in Doha under his administration. Should be noted that Trump as well wanted to meet with the Taliban at Camp David.

Here's what was in the agreement:

We would withdraw by May 1st (Original withdrawal deadline)
We release 5,000 Taliban fighters that were captured by us.
We lift all sanctions against the Taliban

This is what Trump said after the deal was signed:

"It's time after all these years to bring our people back home"
"time for someone else to do that work and it will be the Taliban and it could be surrounding countries"
"I really believe the Taliban wants to do something to show we're not all wasting time,"

Joe Biden has had no problem whatsoever revoking agreements and policies made by Trump as well as charting his own coarse on just about everything. He could have done so here or at least made it clear to those goons that we were getting our people out without their interference and that they best back off lest we send the B-52s their way.

Trump is blowhard and cannot find Afghanistan on a grade school map. He is also out of office.

One would expect a former Senator, former Vice-President, and Current President to do just a bit more than lay low at Camp David.

Giantone
08-16-2021, 01:25 PM
Joe Biden has had no problem whatsoever revoking agreements and policies made by Trump as well as charting his own coarse on just about everything. He could have done so here or at least made it clear to those goons that we were getting our people out without their interference and that they best back off lest we send the B-52s their way.

Trump is blowhard and cannot find Afghanistan on a grade school map. He is also out of office.

One would expect a former Senator, former Vice-President, and Current President to do just a bit more than lay low at Camp David.

Like what dance in front of the TV for you like trump would, maybe have a rose garden press conference? trump is very much apart of this it was his withdrawal plan and since he is the head of the republican party and still running for Office he is relevant.

SunnySide
08-16-2021, 01:38 PM
Joe Biden has had no problem whatsoever revoking agreements and policies made by Trump as well as charting his own coarse on just about everything. He could have done so here or at least made it clear to those goons that we were getting our people out without their interference and that they best back off lest we send the B-52s their way.

Trump is blowhard and cannot find Afghanistan on a grade school map. He is also out of office.

One would expect a former Senator, former Vice-President, and Current President to do just a bit more than lay low at Camp David.

Did you want to stay in Afghanistan? We sent a group to meet with the Taliban and allow the peaceful evacuation of our Embassy. All embassy personnel and diplomats have been evacuated.

We are now flying up to 5k afghan translators, contractors etc out per day.

We sent an addl 5k US troops to secure the translators, contractors evacuations.

This is what a withdrawl from a hostile country looks like.

You talk like we had diplomats killed and taken hostage.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/16/1028027315/u-s-embassy-staff-in-afghanistan-are-evacuated-to-kabuls-airport

nonniey
08-16-2021, 02:33 PM
Did you want to stay in Afghanistan? We sent a group to meet with the Taliban and allow the peaceful evacuation of our Embassy. All embassy personnel and diplomats have been evacuated.

We are now flying up to 5k afghan translators, contractors etc out per day.

We sent an addl 5k US troops to secure the translators, contractors evacuations.

This is what a withdrawl from a hostile country looks like.

You talk like we had diplomats killed and taken hostage.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/16/1028027315/u-s-embassy-staff-in-afghanistan-are-evacuated-to-kabuls-airport

Staying in Afghanistan would have been the correct and best decision. Already pointed out we were rarely taking casualties (Last one was in February/March 2020 timeframe) and we weren't even spending much money there anymore. Pretty sure this decision will end up costing us more in US lives and treasure than it would have if we had stayed.

SunnySide
08-16-2021, 02:55 PM
Staying in Afghanistan would have been the correct and best decision. Already pointed out we were rarely taking casualties (Last one was in February/March 2020 timeframe) and we weren't even spending much money there anymore. Pretty sure this decision will end up costing us more in US lives and treasure than it would have if we had stayed.

Thats interesting .. dont see many people thinking we should have stayed.

I get the impression those ANA guys we were training for the past 20 years were just Taliban fighters.

Now we get to save our 4.9B in aid annually.
Get to stop training Taliban fighters.
Save tons of money not needing to maintain 5k or so troops plus contractors.

I just feel so bad for the woman and little girls in Kabul and the urban areas.

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