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That does not appear to be the case as any party in the agreement can open a dispute at their discretion.
Maybe Obama forgot that in his speech?
It appears to give great latitude (and potentially months of "dispute process") to resolve. Not enough teeth and way to much BS to allow the PL Iranians to hide behind.

Negotiating with terrorists.....be damned, WTF are we doing letting this deal go down with 4 American hostages in Iranian prisons?
We should not have agreed to these terms. Perhaps we would have fared better if the Israeli's had negotiated our end.
This country is our enemy and as made no attempt to hide it. They have stated daily...hourly they will only rest when Israel, the West and specifically the U.S.A. have been wiped off the earth.
We treated it like a meeting at Ford motor with the UAW
WTF are we doing allowing any country to gain control of the assets that will be released to these maniacs to be subsequently...........used on us?

great, when do you propose we start dropping nukes?

also, again, if we don't follow through, the sanctions fall apart and china and russia can start doing business as usual with them.

Russia was our enemy when the salt treaties etc were signed, somehow we managed to make it work and now no one is worried or practicing hiding under their desk to protect themselves from russian nukes. the solution that our enemies are our enemies and can never be anything besides our enemies is circular and self-fulfilling. If things don't work out they don't work out, but if you never try, you're guaranteeing a result you don't like.

great, when do you propose we start dropping nukes?

also, again, if we don't follow through, the sanctions fall apart and china and russia can start doing business as usual with them.

Russia was our enemy when the salt treaties etc were signed, somehow we managed to make it work and now no one is worried or practicing hiding under their desk to protect themselves from russian nukes. the solution that our enemies are our enemies and can never be anything besides our enemies is circular and self-fulfilling. If things don't work out they don't work out, but if you never try, you're guaranteeing a result you don't like.

How many times has Iran backout and straight up not followed through with past deals?

And why does the media and this administration feel that if a deal wasn't reached that we had some how failed? If negiotiations failed, the pressure and stress was clearly on Iran and its economy. U don't make a deal to make a deal to check a box off in your presidency. This dumb shit president is really amazing. Take a look around the world...things are so effed up it ridiculous. There is absolutely no defense of his incompetence and his administration in foreign affairs. Kerry did a poor job and gave into to the Iranians losing several key points within the last days of the negiotiations.

Drop nukes, that typical response from the left when u got nothing.

How many times has Iran backout and straight up not followed through with past deals?

And why does the media and this administration feel that if a deal wasn't reached that we had some how failed? If negiotiations failed, the pressure and stress was clearly on Iran and its economy. U don't make a deal to make a deal to check a box off in your presidency. This dumb shit president is really amazing. Take a look around the world...things are so effed up it ridiculous. There is absolutely no defense of his incompetence and his administration in foreign affairs. Kerry did a poor job and gave into to the Iranians losing several key points within the last days of the negiotiations.

Drop nukes, that typical response from the left when u got nothing.

what would you do then? blind rage with no answers, typical trolling. when exactly was our last deal with iran that they backed out of? cause i sure can't remember it.

Iran has broken and backed out of multiple deals with us and allies abroad multiple times on multiple things; human rights, nuclear, weapons etc. To think Iran will abide by this deal is very naive.

I wouldn't accept this deal and I would continue to neigotiate and keep the sanctions in place until we get what we want. A complete dismantling of their nuclear weapon program. Period. These dropping oil prices are helping our cause

Iran has broken and backed out of multiple deals with us and allies abroad multiple times on multiple things; human rights, nuclear, weapons etc. To think Iran will abide by this deal is very naive.

I wouldn't accept this deal and I would continue to neigotiate and keep the sanctions in place until we get what we want. A complete dismantling of their nuclear weapon program. Period. These dropping oil prices are helping our cause
Continue negotiations, keep sanctions in place. Are you nuts? The only other option was to drop nukes, that's what we were told.

This treaty, IMO, is simply Pres Obama's misguided attempt at etching his Nobel prize winning legacy. That it could just as easily destabilize an entire region is a small risk for that ultimate goal.

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TG, to compare these people to the Russians is.......absurd.
BTW, why do you throw down with the Nuke thing so often? You seem to be the only one talking about it. If these people are going to be anything but our enemies, they may have to stop chanting Death to our civilization for some period of time, right? Maybe the major holidays they could get the "Death Chanting" union to take a day off...Oh well, food for thought!
BTW, this dude has some real concerns

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/us/politics/opposing-iran-nuclear-deal-chuck-schumer-rattles-democratic-firewall.html?_r=0
Mr. Schumer, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate and the likely Democratic leader beginning in 2017, said on Thursday night that he opposed the deal, citing concerns about the inspection regime, provisions to reimpose sanctions if Iran cheats, and Tehran’s freedom after a decade to possibly pursue a nuclear bomb. In quick succession, two other prominent Jewish Democrats, Representative Eliot L. Engel of New York, the ranking Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee, and Mr. Sherman announced their opposition.
I do to.......
BTW, in spite of the generally shit condition of this country, we are still the most powerful country on this planet. We don't need to bully anybody around to much, but we also have no need to get Prison...F..d by a backwards pissass country that has but a vague concept of toilet paper.... and no use for it.
PS, 4 American hostages STILL in Iranian prisons...today!

whatever, you hate the deal, but if you think you could get a better one, well, that's probably a fairy tale. again, the sanctions are in place to get this deal done, if it falls through, a bunch of countries will back out of the sanctions, so they'll fall apart in all likelyhood. we'll also being going back on a deal we've already agreed to (in principle), so the chances of iran thinking we'll be able to follow through to any deal in the future becomes very unlikely.

the nuke thing is just asking what you expect the eventual outcome to be. if we can't reason with them (engagement) what's the other option? put our head in the sand and hope things work out? invade? if they're our enemies and will always be our enemies, then you should probably get rid of them right? or do you just leave them to do their evil things unchecked and hope for the best? that's what i'm getting at, if you never want to engage them diplomatically, then where exactly does that line of thinking go?

and hog, russia has edward snowden, should we cut off all deals, ties and economic arrangements over that? cause you keep harping on that for some reason like they're the only country with american prisoners or that the issues are tied together. I'd like them free, Obama would too, but that's a work in progress right now.

chico, please cite these deals that iran has backed out of, because I don't remember the US ever making a deal or treaty with them since the revolution (unless you count iran-contra). if you're going to throw things out there as facts, please make sure they're actually true (and again, if i'm missing something, just let me know).

We are here because of multiple violations of the npt by Iran , they have backout agreements and have tried to illegally obtain materials to militarize their nuclear program.

Also as the largest state sponser of terrorism they are violation of the Geneva convention, international law, etc.

I'm not trying to be an ahole, but it's pretty clear we are at this point because of a systematic attempt of Iran to possess and build nuclear weapons in violation of npt.

Iran - International | International treaties adherence (http://www.geneva-academy.ch/RULAC/international_treaties.php?id_state=109)

you aren't party to a treaty unless you agree to be a party to it.

you're right tat they have violated the npt article 3 by failing to declare their enrichment in 2003, they agreed to the npt in 1968 (pre revolution). we (well, the american gov) believes they broke article 4 (but the proof is circumstantial).

there's no guarantees this works, but i do believe it's worth a shot, if it fails, the sanctions come back with full international support (if we kill the deal now, only partial sanctions would remain in all likelyhood), and if we fish for a "better deal" we likely get no deal (and again, only partial sanctions).

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