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CRedskinsRule 07-03-2013, 01:39 PM So much for democracy in Egypt.
Breaking News @BreakingNews 9m
Communication with Egypt's President Morsi has been cut off as reported military coup continues - @NBCNews
Yep. One of the things about the US, which I always am amazed at, is the total commitment by the military to the ideal of civilian control. As large as the bureacracy of the military is, the top brass don't just offer lip service to that, they truly buy into it. It is one of the few trusts in US society which I feel hasn't ever been broken, and one which very few other societies really comprehend. The Egyptian military may very well be acting on behalf of alot of the public, but, it's still acting outside of democratic principles. I don't think they get the difference. And that's a shame.
Lotus 07-03-2013, 01:51 PM Making the Egyptian scene murkier is the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood wrote the constitution and made it Brotherhood- rather than democracy-friendly. So, from the standpoint of many non-Brotherhood Egyptians, Egypt hasn't yet had democracy, as it was usurped by Morsi et.al. Throwing out Morsi with the army, from this point of view, is pro-democracy, not anti-democracy.
I'm not making an argument of my own, just mentioning the muddy waters.
CRedskinsRule 07-03-2013, 03:46 PM Making the Egyptian scene murkier is the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood wrote the constitution and made it Brotherhood- rather than democracy-friendly. So, from the standpoint of many non-Brotherhood Egyptians, Egypt hasn't yet had democracy, as it was usurped by Morsi et.al. Throwing out Morsi with the army, from this point of view, is pro-democracy, not anti-democracy.
I'm not making an argument of my own, just mentioning the muddy waters.
Interesting Lotus, and I admit I haven't followed it close, so I am just feeding off what Twitter feeds me. Here's my latest snack:
@AP 25m
BREAKING: Egypt's military chief says president is replaced by chief justice of constitutional court -MM
Retweeted by Laura E. Davis
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If they actually do instill a democratic process, and then back out, it would be a good thing. Remember we went through a period under the Articles of Confederation where we didn't "get it right" either. Finding the right balance of military/civilian/politico's is tough to do, for any society.
Lotus 07-03-2013, 03:59 PM Interesting Lotus, and I admit I haven't followed it close, so I am just feeding off what Twitter feeds me. Here's my latest snack:
@AP 25m
BREAKING: Egypt's military chief says president is replaced by chief justice of constitutional court -MM
Retweeted by Laura E. Davis
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If they actually do instill a democratic process, and then back out, it would be a good thing. Remember we went through a period under the Articles of Confederation where we didn't "get it right" either. Finding the right balance of military/civilian/politico's is tough to do, for any society.
That's very good news. If it were a pure military coup, a general would now be President.
Hopefully this will be a wake-up call for the Islamic world. Islamist politics have their attraction to many Muslims, just as we have people here attracted to pro-Christian politics. But the economic and social history of Islamists in positions of power has been poor in recent decades. Muslim politicians with Islamist agendas typically don't know how to run a thriving economy and this was true for Morsi in Egypt. Egypt's problems could, by reaction, expand the numbers of political secularists across the Muslim world, where you vote for the guy with money sense rather than for the guy thumping his Qur'an.
Gary84Clark 07-03-2013, 04:01 PM Part of them forming a new government. Millitary ensuring that their is minority protection under majority rule.
NC_Skins 07-03-2013, 04:07 PM BBC News - Egyptian army suspends constitution (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23173794#FBM258326)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1025680_10151459738822217_1670873458_o.jpg
We should be doing the same thing to our shitty government. **** Congress.
Ruhskins 07-03-2013, 04:14 PM BBC News - Egyptian army suspends constitution (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23173794#FBM258326)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1025680_10151459738822217_1670873458_o.jpg
We should be doing the same thing to our shitty government. **** Congress.
We tried, it was called Occupy Wall Street and the majority of the population didn't cared or listened. Then again, people in Egypt faced issues far worst than anything that will ever happen in this country.
NC_Skins 07-03-2013, 04:16 PM Al Jazeera English – Live News Streaming (http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/)
Live broadcast going on.
We tried, it was called Occupy Wall Street and the majority of the population didn't cared or listened. Then again, people in Egypt faced issues far worst than anything that will ever happen in this country.
It didn't help that our media wanted to paint them as some college kid hippies wanting a free handout. They had a vested interest not to support the movement. **** our corporate media.
NC_Skins 07-03-2013, 09:30 PM Looks like the Egyptians know what's up.
Doug Ross @ Journal: 15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests You'll Never See In Legacy Media. #Egypt #Morsi #Obama (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/07/15-photos-from-tahrir-square-protests.html)
A good Q&A article about the happenings going on in Egypt.
BBC News - Q&A: Egypt military ousts Morsi (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23146910)
My favorite one:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LSjA4VNToLo/UdSqsg3bMLI/AAAAAAABNUM/Qu8S2UZJWY0/s534/130703-egypt.jpg
Law says the U.S. is required to cut aid after coups. Will it? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/03/law-says-the-u-s-is-required-to-cut-aid-after-coups-will-it/)
My guess is we do not. They need to buy off the next guy that leads.
NC_Skins 07-08-2013, 07:06 PM This 12 year old Egyptian kid is smarter than a majority of the American people.
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