Democratic National Convention 2012

Agreed. People get so wrapped up in being part of a single party that they don't even think of the facts (not that either group does what they say). I've had to de-friend at least a dozen friends on Facebook this year because of random garbage posting that has no bearing on what this country needs to care about.

I don't care how you feel about abortion/gun control/the rest/etc. etc. etc. etc. I want to know what your party is going to do for me and my family. Those issues and that debate aren't going to matter to me.

This. It's why I'm still pondering whether or not to vote this year. The prudent thing to do would be to study all the issues, find out each candidate's stance on the issues, and vote based on which candidate has better ideas to fix the issues, and yet, somehow I feel it won't matter, simply because the key ingredient to resolving these issues is having both parties work together in Congress, and I don't see that happening.

This. It's why I'm still pondering whether or not to vote this year. The prudent thing to do would be to study all the issues, find out each candidate's stance on the issues, and vote based on which candidate has better ideas to fix the issues, and yet, somehow I feel it won't matter, simply because the key ingredient to resolving these issues is having both parties work together in Congress, and I don't see that happening.

I've voted across party lines in State elections. In Va. alot Dems would be considered a Rep. in other states. We are pretty much a conservative state and that's why we are running on a surplus.

This. It's why I'm still pondering whether or not to vote this year. The prudent thing to do would be to study all the issues, find out each candidate's stance on the issues, and vote based on which candidate has better ideas to fix the issues, and yet, somehow I feel it won't matter, simply because the key ingredient to resolving these issues is having both parties work together in Congress, and I don't see that happening.

Exactly. And in the meantime, we can just listen to both sides go back and forth on abortion or gun control when we have MUCH more pressing issues that never seem to even be mentioned.

when i registered to vote, i had to choose a party.
are you still unable to vote unless you claim a party?

if so, why?

Now, that is something relevant to my interests. I know that Democrats tend to harp on the tax breaks for the wealthy and tax increase for the middle class. Is this true? If so, does anyone have any websites or facts to back that up?

FactCheck.org : Romney’s Impossible Tax Promise (http://factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-impossible-tax-promise/)


The TPC’s detailed calculations showed that — before any reduction of tax deductions — Romney’s plan would result in 99.97 percent of those making $1 million a year or more getting a tax cut (compared with what they pay now) and that the cuts would average $256,603 each. But further down the income scale, the benefit would be considerably less. For those making between $50,000 and $75,000, for example, 94 percent would see a tax cut, and it would average $1,226, before any loss of deductions or credits. These cuts are all in addition to those enacted during the Bush administration, and Romney would not allow those to expire as scheduled.




The Romney campaign insists that economic growth will somehow make its tax plan work as promised, but we’ve seen nothing to support that. Romney’s experts predict about a 1 percent increase in growth. Looney, one of the authors of the Tax Policy Center study, calls that “an implausibly large estimate,” but nevertheless ran the study again assuming that growth rate and an additional 12 million jobs. The result, he told ABC News, is that it would offset only about 15 percent of Romney’s revenue loss from individual tax cuts.

“Even in that case, there’s still a shift in the tax burden from high-income taxpayers to low- and or middle-income taxpayers,” Looney told ABC News. “It’s smaller, but it would require a net tax increase on the middle class.”


So basically, it will end up with the middle class having a increase on their taxes (due to deductions being closed ...mort interests, etc) while the rich get a 250k tax break. For Romney to be such a great business man, his numbers have never added up.

when i registered to vote, i had to choose a party.
are you still unable to vote unless you claim a party?

if so, why?Just register as an Independent.

FactCheck.org : Romney’s Impossible Tax Promise (http://factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-impossible-tax-promise/)










So basically, it will end up with the middle class having a increase on their taxes (due to deductions being closed ...mort interests, etc) while the rich get a 250k tax break. For Romney to be such a great business man, his numbers have never added up.

Nice, facts are good. Thanks!

Now, that is something relevant to my interests. I know that Democrats tend to harp on the tax breaks for the wealthy and tax increase for the middle class. Is this true? If so, does anyone have any websites or facts to back that up?TMC, FactCheck is quite biased towards Obama and they cite the Tax Policy Center (another left-biased group) analysis of Romney's plan....which has been shown to be speculation rather than fact. Here is a good read from the WSJ which debunks the Dems claims on RomneyHood (robbing from the Middle Class to feed the Rich).

Review & Outlook: The Romney Hood Fairy Tale - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443792604577574910276629448.html?m od=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read)

I'll read them both, but does that lean more towards the right? I'd love to read something that's fairly neutral.

Malcolm, Wall Street Journal is owned by News Corp. i.e. Rupert Murdoch.