skinsfaninok
09-03-2012, 11:28 PM
I'd give 2010 a C because while we got two starters from that draft, one has a major mark against him in Williams. The rest of that draft class was worthless.
The 2011 draft gets an A-. Seven players will be counted on to contribute in 2012, that's pretty impressive. I doubt there are any potential All Pro players other than Kerrigan but all of them will be playing a role every Sunday.
Of course it is too soon to judge the 2012 draft but I'll go with a grade no lower than a B-. We've solved the QB spot two deep for the next 5 years or worst case have a potential trade chip in Cousins. I think Crawford has something at the CB position and have hopes that LeRib and Gettis will be factors on the OL in 2013 and beyond.
Part of the plan was clearly to get younger and more 'home grown'. I've noted in a couple of threads that we have drafted the most number of players (21) in the league and the most OL (7) over the past 3 drafts, although 4 OL and 18 (plus Nield) remain on the roster. That is a huge improvement from the old, mismatched roster that was here in 2009.
One of the things the Steelers, Patriots, Giants of the league have done is cultivate a culture and a 'brand' for lack of a better term and they have drafted, traded and signed free agents according to their philosophy. This is what Shanahan is trying to do IMO.
Great post I agree but why would Mike have a bad mark for drafting tw? Not like he knew he was a doper but seriously Williams is our best player on offense besides Griff of course. Overall I give them a B- for all three drafts.
skinsfan69
09-04-2012, 12:08 AM
It's all going to come down to whether or not RG3 is a top QB. They have to hit on RG3 and hit big. If they do then that means we have a shot at being a consistent playoff to Supe Bowl contending type of team. If he's middle of the pack or worse then Shanahan and his son will be gone for rolling the dice on this mega trade that failed.
REDSKINS4ever
09-04-2012, 12:14 AM
Bruce Allen is not going to fire Mike Shanahan. Sure, he could but Shanahan told Snyder from the start that it was going to take time to build this Redskins team into a contender. RG3 is not going to fail. I just don't see it. As soon as the offense comes together, which could very well be this year, the Redskins will be posting 12-4/13-3/14-2 kind of records. And don't forget the Redskins defense is capable of being a top 5 defense.
Sure, the Redskins could have waited on Matt Barkley or Landry Jones in the future instead of trading those picks in order to get Griffin III, but Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan felt that the team could be able to compete now if they had the right quarterback and that right quarterback is Robert Griffin III.
The Goat
09-04-2012, 01:04 AM
I'm surprised nobody has balked at the premise of the thread (title). Why on earth would an evaluation of Shanahan NOT begin two years ago...unless you're a total homer for Shanahan and want to "throw out the bad data?"
Mike has made myriad mistakes over the last two years. Every decision at QB has been errant up to RGIII. McNabb was a mistake. Rex a mistake. Beck a mistake. Campbell today is better than any of them so the honest observer would add getting rid of him was a mistake. Jamaal Brown was a huge mistake.
And that's just on the roster side. Bringing his kiddo (Kyle) was a mistake, as was not upgrading defensive coordinator at the first possible chance e.g. Wade Phillips goes to Houston and makes one of the worst defenses in the league (right there w/ the Skins after the 3-4 switch) to a top 5 defense in ONE year. Mike and Wade already worked together so why didn't Wade come aboard?
It's also noteworthy that our two best targets on offense (Davis and Moss) are guys Mike inherited, rather than developed.
Mike gets credit for making the team younger (depth) and RGIII. Hopefully things come together this year and we see results, but as someone else said I won't be the least bit surprised if Mike never wins the division or a playoff game in Washington.
30gut
09-04-2012, 06:04 AM
Wow defensive much? I'm not bitter at all it doesn't bother me that Campbell is clearly a backup and not a starter in the NFL. It apparently bothers you enough to get all huffy over an unkind description of a backup QB who is two years removed from the Skins... So who's the bitter one?
Dissmiss me all you want ultimately he didn't impress anyone (who matters) enough to get EVEN A SHOT at a starting job, in a league where Kevin Kolb versus John Skelton is a thing. If that's not telling enough; he went to Chicago where he's the backup to the QB who some fans thought wasn't worth trading Campbell for. Hows that for irony... Bitter irony for some I suspect?Lol, you mad huh?
Your perception of the events around Jason Campbell are skewed beyond belief.
-HTTR
mooby
09-04-2012, 06:36 AM
I have a Question.... Who really cares about jc being a redskin anymore???
This.
SmootSmack
09-04-2012, 07:11 AM
It's all going to come down to whether or not RG3 is a top QB. They have to hit on RG3 and hit big. If they do then that means we have a shot at being a consistent playoff to Supe Bowl contending type of team. If he's middle of the pack or worse then Shanahan and his son will be gone for rolling the dice on this mega trade that failed.
All of this
FRPLG
09-04-2012, 08:34 AM
It's all going to come down to whether or not RG3 is a top QB. They have to hit on RG3 and hit big. If they do then that means we have a shot at being a consistent playoff to Supe Bowl contending type of team. If he's middle of the pack or worse then Shanahan and his son will be gone for rolling the dice on this mega trade that failed.
Uhhh yes.
QB is the name of the game in the NFL. Having a good one young enough to lead for years is key.
My hopeless optimism must be kicking in, I think this team can go 9-7 and be in the wildcard hunt.
FRPLG
09-04-2012, 08:56 AM
My hopeless optimism must be kicking in, I think this team can go 9-7 and be in the wildcard hunt.
Same boat here. If Bob can approximate the type of player many think he can be then he could be worth 3 wins over last year. If we get more performance out of other positions (just a little which isn't a crazy thought since Bob could bring everyone's game up) then we're talking 10 wins maybe. Not in the "likely" category but not as crazy as the "experts" would have everyone believe.