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skinsfan69 08-21-2012, 02:03 PM W/out question there's some..and I repeat the word SOME... white fans that would like Cousins to play, and some black where they want RG3. So some of what Bayless said is true. I didn't have a problem with what he said. I think most if not all people on this board, and the majority of the fans want the guy who gives us the best chance to win. But I did have a problem with him saying that Redskin fans are mostly white. He made DC sound like Tuscaloosa. That was a terrible and uneducated comment.
The Goat 08-21-2012, 02:05 PM ^^ Lol that's awesome...the open receiver is not the open receiver any more! It's a new day in football!
In all seriousness though if coaches are using Davis as a decoy on some pass plays and telling RGIII to not hit him even if open for the first down we're not going to see much progress in the offense this year. Davis is still the best downfield weapon on the roster.
Paintrain 08-21-2012, 02:22 PM ^^ Lol that's awesome...the open receiver is not the open receiver any more! It's a new day in football!
In all seriousness though if coaches are using Davis as a decoy on some pass plays and telling RGIII to not hit him even if open for the first down we're not going to see much progress in the offense this year. Davis is still the best downfield weapon on the roster.
The mere fact that you got THAT out of my post indicates you clearly are not the intended audience for the 'All-22' film. Do you not grasp route progressions and decoys in play design?
Also if you think that our TE is the best downfield weapon on the roster, I'm guessing you, Davis and Williams have a similar hobby.
IrMitchell 08-21-2012, 02:28 PM One that is trying to make the point that fans are foolish especially us mostly white skins fans who are upset we drafted a black qb.
Taken out of context.
But whatever, let's just agree that Skip is irrelevant and essentially an ESPN troll.
Monksdown 08-21-2012, 02:45 PM This is one of the reasons the league was hesitant about releasing the 'All 22' film to fans, because of assumptions we make based on what we see.
We don't know where Davis was in the receiver progressions, we don't know if he was a decoy to draw coverage, we don't know if the coverage dictated the throw to Moss, we don't know what adjustments were made, hell we don't know if Davis was open because he ran the wrong route. Yes, he was open but that doesn't make it the right play.
Eventually we'll get to the point where we can cross reference the All 22 to the eyes of the quarterback. I would love to see that. It would tell us a lot more than just the overhead camera.
The Goat 08-21-2012, 02:50 PM The mere fact that you got THAT out of my post indicates you clearly are not the intended audience for the 'All-22' film. Do you not grasp route progressions and decoys in play design?
Also if you think that our TE is the best downfield weapon on the roster, I'm guessing you, Davis and Williams have a similar hobby.
LOL no offense intended dude but I did get a laught out of it. Route progressions and decoys are no harder concept than getting the ball to the open receiver ;)
Yes, Davis is without question the best downfield target on the roster, especially in redzone. Moss is our best receiver at finding open space but his size doesn't allow him to break tackles the way Davis can. But Moss should have the most yards among our WR corp this season if coaches/QB play to our strengths ala Brady to Welker in New England. Hankerson and Morgan are good help but neither can find the open space consistently. Garcon isn't going to beat many DBs or even safeties when it comes to straight line speed, nor is a big/strong enough to overpower most. From all the video I can find he often struggles in space, whether it's working underneath the linebackers or the secondary. On the flip side Garcon has good hands and doesn't mind crossing the middle. Indy set him up w/ lots of quick slants and YAC, with some deep routes mixed in though the DB typically had to get fooled for Garcon take those passes down.
30gut 08-21-2012, 02:51 PM You (as usual) just continue to argue for the sake of arguing...Wow, um my bad dude.
Here I thought we're 2 fans that are football nerds talking about a specific play.
But, if you feel that I'm arguing just to argue and I do this continually then I won't waste your time with my response.
There are plenty of Skip Bayless posts that you can respond to.
30gut 08-21-2012, 03:06 PM This is one of the reasons the league was hesitant about releasing the 'All 22' film to fans, because of assumptions we make based on what we see.
We don't know where Davis was in the receiver progressions, we don't know if he was a decoy to draw coverage, we don't know if the coverage dictated the throw to Moss, we don't know what adjustments were made, hell we don't know if Davis was open because he ran the wrong route. Yes, he was open but that doesn't make it the right play.All very true.
I think Davis is kinda open but certainly not 'wide open'.
He's short of the 1st and would need RAC or break a tackle to convert the 1st down.
But, it is probably a safer play then throwing to a double covered Moss.
Here's how I see it:
3rd and 4
There are 2 linebackers dropping back with full view of Davis and Griffin, there is one LB #52? who is definetely keying on Davis and would have a great jump on ball thrown to Davis and since the other linebacker is also watching Griffin they would both break towards Davis upon Griffin's release of the pass.
Imo that does not constitute being 'wide open', and throwing this pass to Davis is akin to throwing a checkdown as Davis is running about 2 yards short and parrallel to the 1st down marker.
That's what I saw *shrugs*
-btw
Are you the same paintrain from extremeskins?
Funny, I never thought Garcon had an issue with speed. I think he ran in the 4.4 range coming out of college.
He's plenty fast in Madden too.
30gut 08-21-2012, 03:11 PM Eventually we'll get to the point where we can cross reference the All 22 to the eyes of the quarterback. I would love to see that. It would tell us a lot more than just the overhead camera.
I know that some schools Notre Dame for one, has camera on mounted on the QBs helmets.
But, I can't ever see that being releases into the hands of rabid fans like ourselves.
Also if you think that our TE is the best downfield weapon on the roster, I'm guessing you, Davis and Williams have a similar hobby.There's nothing wrong with having that hobby depending on what you do for a living. :Smoker:
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