Gun Control Thread- Should we?

I'm an Atheist, I don't believe in me.

It's the overall tone to your argument, the same tired tactics.



Yeah, all gun owners are NRA members. <rolls_eyes> It's more your side telling everyone that the case. It IS political, but driven from the liberal, anti-gun adjenda.




Some of my best friends are black. GTFOOH, you lying weasel!

You're on the wrong end so you attempt to change the conversation to something you're more comfortable with.

At no point did I mock the Conn shooting victims and it's pretty low for you to even suggest it. It's also similar in the way liberals throw the word racism around when they want to bring a conversation back to their terms.

Point being, you accused me of something anyone here can see I didn't do. You are now trying to reframe the 2nd Amendment as a 'hunters only' issue. What part of the 2nd Amendment do you need explained to you?

You're an utter cunt for trying to use a vile assertion like making fun of shooting victims. You know you're wrong, and like another poster on here, when your position is shown to be invalid you use bluff, demands and misdirection in an attempt to garner popular support.

Back on track: This is about gun control. We have an overwhelming amount to gun laws on the books, they should be better enforced.

People need to be better neighbors, care for each other more and get help for people who need it.


So now the name calling starts after you get called out,conversation done!

Don't lie, you won't get called names.

You're wrong, everyone can see you're wrong. Now you compound it by being too gutless to just apologize.

Of course you're done. Crawl away.

You know, at risk of the NRA being able to tell us what we believe, as someone here said: I thought it might be helpful to post what the NRA said, not just a liberal description of what the NRA said that was posted earlier: Link (http://home.nra.org/classic.aspx/blog/345)

NRA PRESS CONFERENCE
12/21/2012

The National Rifle Association's 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters join the nation in horror, outrage, grief and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut ... who suffered such incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime.

Out of respect for those grieving families, and until the facts are known, the NRA has refrained from comment. While some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully silent.

Now, we must speak ... for the safety of our nation's children. Because for all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week, no one — nobody — has addressed the most important, pressing and immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right now, starting today, in a way that we know works?

The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them.

And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.

How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security.

We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.

Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family — our children — we as a society leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now!

(continue reading at link above)

Punch It In,

Close to home.

Guns, ammunition found during Ocean Township traffic stop, police say | NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2012/12/guns_ammunition_found_during_ocean_township_traffi c_stop_police_say.html)

Punch It In,

Close to home.

Guns, ammunition found during Ocean Township traffic stop, police say | NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2012/12/guns_ammunition_found_during_ocean_township_traffi c_stop_police_say.html)

Lovely.....

Excellent article that goes much deeper into the question 'Why?' these atrocities are happening:

Newtown and Violence - No Easy Answer (http://blogs.plos.org/neuroanthropology/2012/12/17/newtown-and-violence-no-easy-answers/)

Whilst I don't agree with this point:

President Obama has called for meaningful action. In government, meaningful action is often symbolic, done in speeches and codified into law. Gun control would at the very least signal that things have shifted, that we will not accept this type of violence, that we are willing to place limits on our freedom for the collective good of our children.

This resonates:

We need to get better at dealing with young men and women prone to violence through our schools and in our neighborhoods. We need to engage in prison reform, and to rework our senseless jailing of so many non-violent offenders (often to great profit for the people who run prisons) and to direct many more resources to lowering alcohol and drug use rather than a continued engagement in a violent drug war. Much of the saved money from that “war” could then go to funding more community approaches to addressing violence. So, yes, reform before and after these violent acts.

Enact common sense gun laws,these could'nt hurt!

Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence : Second Amendment (http://www.bradycenter.org/advocates/second_amendment?gclid=CMyupbOix7QCFcuZ4Aod9h4AxQ)

The Supreme Court has reaffirmed that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to possess guns in the home for self defense. They Justices also stated that this right is “not unlimited” – elected officials may enact common sense gun laws to protect communities.



Those laws are needed to protect the safety of Americans. Too many individuals can obtain dangerous weapons far too easily in America. An epidemic of violence results when guns and even assault rifles can be purchased from unlicensed merchants at gun shows without a Brady criminal background check.



Think we don’t need to change that? Think again. In one year, more than 31,000 people die from gun violence – and close to 79,000 more are shot but survive gun injuries. That’s more than 100,000 people EACH YEAR who are killed or wounded with a gun in our country.



This is not about banning guns. It’s about responsibility in selling and owning guns – and making our homes, schools and communities safer. And you have a stake in it.

We all do

Think we don’t need to change that? Think again. In one year, more than 31,000

Which year? Certainly wasn't 2011.

In 2011, an estimated 14,612 persons were murdered in the United States. This was a 0.7 percent decrease from the 2010 estimate, a 14.7 percent decline from the 2007 figure, and a 10.0 percent decrease from the 2002 estimate.

FBI &mdash; Murder (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/murder)

This is a total for murder, not just gun murder. I would suggest that you're telling lies again.

Please be thorough enough to post your sources other than an appallingly biased website. FBI should do.

Waiting.........

You could try here:

FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts (http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/)

However, Barber said gun violence has “dropped precipitously” from the early 1990s — a trend criminologists chalked up to “changes in the crack cocaine market.” Her observation is supported by crime data and surveys.
As we said earlier, the homicide rate since 1981 peaked in 1993 at 7 per 100,000. In addition, the Census Bureau’s annual National Crime Victimization Survey collects data on nonfatal firearm-related violent crimes, including those not reported to police. That data set shows a dramatic decline (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/firearmnonfataltab.cfm)in gun violence since the early 1990s.

But you won't like the result.

This is a total for murder, not just gun murder. I would suggest that you're telling lies again.

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"Think we don’t need to change that? Think again. In one year, more than 31,000 people die from gun violence – and close to 79,000 more are shot but survive gun injuries. That’s more than 100,000 people EACH YEAR who are killed or wounded with a gun in our country."

I would suggest you might need some reading comprehension,it says gun vioence not just murder.


More facts you won't like....

USA Gun Violence Statistics | heedinggodscall.org (http://www.heedinggodscall.org/content/pfctoolkit-10)