Gun Control Thread- Should we?

That's merely an example of a gun owner not knowing how to react in a situation, not a failure of the concealed carry.

Why would you think you could pull a weapon and put a round on the target if the aggressor already has his weapon on you?

Every week in the NRA magazine I get there are police reports listed of a gun owner defending themselves or helping others using their firearm. I'd compile them or link to them if I wasn't so lazy.

Wait, but aren't there people here saying that the solution to the massacre in Aurora would have been everyone started pulling their weapon?

Wait, but aren't there people here saying that the solution to the massacre in Aurora would have been everyone started pulling their weapon?

I don't think anyone would say that everyone just pulls out an Uzi and lets loose is any better a solution than everyone running and being pop up targets for a delusional gunman. However, a person who knows how to react, ie that first you get cover, then aim and fire, might have made a difference in that theatre.

For the record, every US army soldier goes through MOUT(military operations in urban terrain) training, along with basic training, and learns how to deal with tear gas. I will say that going through the gas chamber, or shooting while my gas mask was removed were things I never want to do again, but the point is some people who might want to carry would have been very prepared for that scenario.

I buy all my guns this way whenever possible. While i think it would be ridiculous to require a background check for private sales i would be okay with a law that says you have to personally know someone or show an ID to buy a gun. Or maybe if no ID is avialable you have to write a reciept.


I have a problem with that. So John with a clear back ground can go buy a gun and sell it to Mike who wants it to gang bang and no back ground check.

Wait, but aren't there people here saying that the solution to the massacre in Aurora would have been everyone started pulling their weapon?

I sure didnt.

There is no solution to that.
You cant predict insanity.

Wait, but aren't there people here saying that the solution to the massacre in Aurora would have been everyone started pulling their weapon?

One assailant, two targets is not the same as a theater full of targets, come on now.

Wait, but aren't there people here saying that the solution to the massacre in Aurora would have been everyone started pulling their weapon?

I sure didnt.
There is no solution to that.

You cant predict insanity.

Some have.

My point is only that: (1) The assumption that it necessarily would have lessened the damage is an assumption based on a lot of things breaking the right way for the good guys and (2) Generically, the right to carry concealed weaponry would not have deterred Holmes from carrying out this particular crime.

Well I'm done with this thread.

Well I'm done with this thread.

Probably just as well, you really weren't holding up your end of the argument.

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Well I'm done with this thread.

I think mredskins said it best when he said this is a merry go round.

I have a problem with that. So John with a clear back ground can go buy a gun and sell it to Mike who wants it to gang bang and no back ground check.


Correct. The same holds true for Josh with a perfect driving record who sells a fast car to Mark who wants to use it for speed racing and who is without a license and insurance.

I have only sold (was actually a partial trade for a non firearm item plus cash) one gun like this. But i have bought many guns this way. In fact i even traded a "hot rod" (dont worry it wasnt to Mark) style elCamanio Conquista for several thousand dollars worth of guns/ammo/accesories plus a thousand or so of cash. I know how redneck and outlandish that last statement may sound, but i swear (http://www.lyrics007.com/Boyz%20II%20Men%20Lyrics/I%20Swear%20Lyrics.html) im not a redneck. Heck i was at a Boyz II Men concert a month or so ago.

My understanding of the law is that the seller retains some responsibilties in these sales. So lets say i sold firstdown a gun. I would have to reasonably suspect that he is a VA resident, at least 21 years old, not a felon, or suspect that he would use it in a unlawful way. I am also not allowed to be a dealer or a person selling a gun that i bought for the sole prupose of reselling it. *I think the dealer thing is tricky and there may be some exceptions.

A few things ive noticed in my personal experience of buying/selling guns like this. Many people doing this are police, military or the like. Many people will only sell to CCP holders and/or require multiple forms of ID. Many people doing this are trading firearms for other firearms. When i say many i mean around 50%.

Additional I think in 3 of the times i bought guns this way, the kids or familes of the seller were present. In nearly every instance the transactions have taken place in parking lots with lots of "innocent" people around (scary for the anti-gun folk, right?). There was a guy that stuttered real bad once, but besides that none of the people ive delt with would come across as weird in any way and only one guy (the guy who wanted the elCamino....) was what i would call an obvious redneck.

I add that last paragraph because i think as Smoot and Mredskins noted ealier it is in many ways a cultural thing. To the guys selling guns with their kid next to them, it didnt come across as not normal in any way whatsoever.

I was brought up in a very anti-gun household and the first time i bought a gun via private party it was very strange and uncomfortable; however, now it doesnt seem odd or frightening to me at all. I think many of us (myself included) were raised in households without guns around and were taught to fear them, not respect and appreciate them. With that in mind perhaps the only gun control we need is hands on experience in our public schools?