RGIII Says Don't Expect A Lot of Trickeration in Playbook

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JoeRedskin
07-08-2012, 10:02 AM
It's just possible that both Luck & Griffin live up to or exceed expectations. I seriously doubt that either will be the epic fail that was Ryan Leaf.

Hog1
07-08-2012, 12:52 PM
Yeah, I would have kept all those picks, myself. Now I'm praying Shanny was right this time. So far so good, but the hype is pretty meaningless till Opening Day. Hopefully the stuff that needs to get done in practice and in study is getting done.

This whole Luck/Griffin controversy reminds me of the Manning/Leaf draft. Both those guys were sure things too. Irsay doesn't seem that football savvy, so I don't mind Shanny picking after him especially since rumor was we'd pick Griffin first regardless. Almost feel sorry for Luck not getting nearly the great press Griffin got, and the situation he's walking into at Indy. But would love to see us look like we got "Manning" while they got "Leaf", this season.
^^^^^^

30gut
07-09-2012, 12:38 PM
Redskins email report: Bowen breaks down Shanahan’s game plan | WashingtonExaminer.com (http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-email-report-bowen-breaks-down-shanahans-game-plan/article/2501437)

This isn’t from a recent game plan, but it is indicative of how Mike Shanahan calls a game. And, yes, I know Kyle Shanahan calls the plays during games...The zone option read wasn’t in the playbook back then but could be this fall.Read Bowen's article when it came out, great read.

But, neither article, especially Bowen's didn't live up to his billing for me because unless he's doing a 2 part series he never really gets down to answers the question he posed:
How has the offensive game plan under Mike Shanahan evolved since he was the head coach in Denver?

The article is a great breakdown of Mike Shanahan's offense with Mike Shanahan as the playcaller. They both pay lip service and acknowledge that Kyle calls the plays yet never delve into Kyle's playcalling style/tendency.

I would much rather have read about our offense with Kyle Shanahan as the playcaller.


Here are some areas that stand for me:
3. There was a lot of balance to the game plan, even on critical plays » “Fourth down, third-and-short, ball at the 35 or 37 playing to get into field goal position. They used seven runs and four passes. He wants to run the ball in those situations more than pass it.^^Kyle thus far does not share this same balance.

4. Use of personnel » “He used flush-personnel [five receivers] in the two-minute drill – 18 times in the two-minute drill over a span of four games. That’s a lot. I don’t know who their tight end was at that time. That’s now how it is now. He didn’t have a tight end game back then. He would put five receivers on the field. But that would mean he’d have to put Davis on the bench, and I wouldn’t do that.”I would love to see Kyle use more 5 receivers sets especially with Griffin's comfortable level in a spread offense.



6. Surprises » “I didn’t expect him to run the ball this much. When they were backed up, it was seven runs to four passes. That’s understandable. Critical plays, seven runs and four passes. On the goal line, 11 runs and five passes. In the red zone, 12 runs and eight passes. That stood out to me. There were 20 plays over four games in the red zone, and they used eight passes, and six of those were boots. And the runs in the red zone are leads and stretches. He wants to run misdirection, especially when he had Jake. They run the naked boot and do all of that – and they’re setting up the boot plays.”This would be the most pleasant surprise for me considering Kyle's pass first nature but I'm not holding breath.

7. Another surprise » “There weren’t as many deep balls as I expected. Back then it was Rod Smith, and he was the key to our personnel. They didn’t have many deep route concepts — a lot of throws to the middle of the field – high-low, slants, dig routes, inside seam routes. They have fade routes in there, but they’re not a very vertical offense like you see with Green Bay and New Orleans. … The first two series they’ll take a shot down the field. That’s normal of every team.”I hope this is one area that changes to take advantage of Griffin's deep ball acumen, I think they similarly took more shots with Cutler.

8. Tough to defend » My take: Players talk about using their eyes right and not falling for stuff, but talk to enough players and they will admit they’re often looking at things they shouldn’t. So: “This is the type of game plan that is more about reading your keys because they ran so much misdirection — where are your eyes pointed? We had guys running into each other against Denver.”I agree with this completely, I can already envision how much more confusion and hesitiation the offense could cause for defenses with a sprinkling of zone read.

Great article by Matt Bowen though

Jak101
07-09-2012, 12:42 PM
It's always fun to see an athlete who's experienced such stardom stay grounded. Glad he's able to keep his sense of humor, and I couldn't be more excited to see what he does for the Skins this year.

REDSKINS4ever
07-09-2012, 01:51 PM
It's just possible that both Luck & Griffin live up to or exceed expectations. I seriously doubt that either will be the epic fail that was Ryan Leaf.

We'll know two or three years from now more about Griffin and Luck. Both were great in college but whether or not that talent translates over into the NFL remains to be seen. We will definitely see flashes of greatness from both rookie QBs this year.

CRedskinsRule
07-09-2012, 02:30 PM
It's just possible that both Luck & Griffin live up to or exceed expectations. I seriously doubt that either will be the epic fail that was Ryan Leaf.

LIAR! ONE MUST FAIL!


or not, you never really know till the games are played.

Monksdown
07-09-2012, 02:31 PM
We'll know two or three years from now more about Griffin and Luck. Both were great in college but whether or not that talent translates over into the NFL remains to be seen. We will definitely see flashes of greatness from both rookie QBs this year.

Even Rex had 'flashes' of greatness. blind squirrels and their nuts, etc.

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