Democrats/Unions Lose Big In Wisconsin

Some angry people in Wisconsin.

Barrett Slapped In Face After Conceding Recall To Walker - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/barrett-slapped-face-conceding-recall-walker-135618842--abc-news-politics.html)


Can't blame them. You start messing with people's livelihood and salaries and you'll get a lynch mob in no time. I suspect that many of those voting against unions do so because it doesn't affect them and have that myth beat in them that UNIONS ARE BAD AND THE DOWNFALL OF OUR ECONOMY!! Meanwhile, big businesses are laughing their asses off.

So you think its too much for the tax payers to ask the public sector union members to pay 12% of their health insurance and 5% of their retirement plan? I have to pay 100% of those for myself.

let me see. he wants those govt workers to take a pay cut, seems fair. wants those workers to help pay for their ins., seems fair., he wants to cut their pensions, seems fair. what is he giving up? makes me laugh any time a local GOP ruling body needs to cut, they run after the unions, first chance they get

The story’s not the same in the public sector. When government employees negotiate added salary and benefits, those who are not directly employed by the government—which is to say, the vast majority of taxpayers—can’t really opt out. So one of three things has to happen: 1) Taxes are raised to pay for the added compensation costs. 2) Services are cut in order to pay for the additional compensation. 3) The additional compensation isn’t ever paid—a situation that usually comes with, at minimum, some sort of minor political drama, if not a serious showdown. This is why the power of public sector unions is such a big deal: When they negotiate better benefits, the majority of taxpayers usually end up forced to bear the cost, somehow, whether they want to or not. With private sector unions, that’s not necessarily the case.

The Difference Between Private and Public Sector Unions - Hit & Run : Reason.com (http://reason.com/blog/2011/02/23/the-difference-between-private)

So well said.

The only thing i have against Walker is that he has promised not to turn Wisconsion into a right to work state. Forced unionism just feels inheritantly wrong.

Maybe the Wisconsin vote had less to do with a referendum on cutting government spending and more to do with voters feeling that the recall process should only be used for elected officials who turn out to be guilty of crimes.

let me see. he wants those govt workers to take a pay cut, seems fair. wants those workers to help pay for their ins., seems fair., he wants to cut their pensions, seems fair. what is he giving up? makes me laugh any time a local GOP ruling body needs to cut, they run after the unions, first chance they get

Did not ask them to take a pay cut or to cut their pension. He ask them to hlep pay a small % of their health ins. and pay a small % of their pension. So lets see an example. If their health ins is $800 per month and their pension deposit is 500 per month (both figures probably high) they would have to pay $121 for those benifits. Wow. I pay $820 for health insurance and what ever I have left each month I put away for retirement.

Did you also know under the union contract the school districts could only purchase health ins through WEA (Wis. Education Association) which profited from these contracts and cost the school district millions more each year. Those millions that could be spent on actually the students but the unions would not allow them to shop the rates.


Wisconsin schools buck union to cut health costs | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/wisconsin-schools-buck-union-cut-health-costs/115972)

The exit poll showing that Walker got 38 percent of the vote from people living in union households was conducted by Edison Research for ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, Fox News and the Associated Press.

38% of Voters from Union Households Voted for Walker | CNSNews.com (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/38-voters-union-households-voted-walker)

I'm guessing that number has the Dems more worried then the fact that Walker won the recall.

Lotus pretty much nailed. There have only be three gubernatorial recalls in history. One in 1921, Gray Davis in 2003, and Scott Walker.

Anyway, majority of union members still overwhelmingly support the president. That's not going to change between now and election day.

Maybe the Wisconsin vote had less to do with a referendum on cutting government spending and more to do with voters feeling that the recall process should only be used for elected officials who turn out to be guilty of crimes.

AGREED

Many union supporters were simply opposed to the recall process. Bad mistake by the Dems. Now the GOP can treat it like a referendum on unions when really it was a critique of the recall process.

Lotus pretty much nailed. There have only be three gubernatorial recalls in history. One in 1921, Gray Davis in 2003, and Scott Walker.

Anyway, majority of union members still overwhelmingly support the president. That's not going to change between now and election day.

So your saying that 38% of them would vote for a man who has made them pay more money into the system just because they did not support the recall.

Nearly 60% of union workers still support Obama.

Majority of Union Members Favor Obama; a Third Back Romney (http://www.gallup.com/poll/155138/Majority-Union-Members-Favor-Obama-Third-Back-Romney.aspx)