2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

let me ask you a question( or 2) first, do you think the only people that commit voter fraud are Dem's? and secondly, how much actual voter fraud goes on?

Nothing is exclusive to one party and who knows how much voter fraud goes on because we have no real checks and balance. I do know when I moved years back I voted totally by accident at the wrong polling place and they checked off my dads name like he had voted (same name). The only way I knew was when he went to vote they told him he had allready voted. There is something wrong with a system if they don't check any form of ID or have any way to track who is actually voting. Here is what's required in VA. They are not asking for much. To not have one of these forms of ID one would have to live isolated in the woods.

Acceptable forms of identification include the following:

Virginia Voter Registration Card
Valid Virginia driver's license
Military ID
Any Federal, Virginia state or local government-issued ID
Employer issued photo ID card
Concealed handgun permit
Valid student ID issued by any institution of higher education located in the Commonwealth of Virginia
Current utility bill, bank statement, government check or paycheck indicating the name and address of the voter
Social Security card (*please see below as the social security card does not satisfy special federal ID requirements)

Acceptable forms of identification include the following:

Virginia Voter Registration Card
Valid Virginia driver's license (Costs money)
Military ID (selective and small base of people)
Any Federal, Virginia state or local government-issued ID (Costs money)
Employer issued photo ID card (rare and selective)
Concealed handgun permit (Costs money)
Valid student ID issued by any institution of higher education located in the Commonwealth of Virginia (Costs money)
Current utility bill, bank statement, government check or paycheck indicating the name and address of the voter
Social Security card (*please see below as the social security card does not satisfy special federal ID requirements)



Noted. So out of that whole group, really the only thing that is going to be useful without having to provide money or jump through a bunch of hoops is the utility bill/bank statement/gov check.

Noted. So out of that whole group, really the only thing that is going to be useful without having to provide money or jump through a bunch of hoops is the utility bill/bank statement/gov check.

Why would you pay for any of those if all you need was the FREE voter ID card? Also the SS card restriction is federal not state.

Why would you pay for any of those if all you need was the FREE voter ID card? Also the SS card restriction is federal not state.

Well, if the "Free" Id voter card requires items that COST money, then it really isn't free is it?

Well, if the "Free" Id voter card requires items that COST money, then it really isn't free is it?

Your argument is very weak at best. You don't even need an ID to obtain a Voter ID card.

Want to respond to this. You know as well as I do that China has underage kids working in factories. Sure Mitt said the ages of 18-23 in his speech, but did he check all of their ID and documentation? I would bet my life on the fact there are underage workers at that particular factory he was at. Let's talk about the safety factor. Barbed wire fencing? What if the place burnt down? Think Mitt cares? **** no. As long as Mitt's pockets are getting lined, he doesn't care if they hire 13 year old girls and work them until they drop.And there are underage sweatshops in this country. Should you assume every time you see Obama at a plant, that he's going for child labor? Should Obama be checking the ID and documentation of every place he visits? Does Obama check fire codes of all the places he visits? The bastard!

Yes there are underage sweatshops in China, and this country. So why do you assume the plant Romney went to employed children? Do Chinese factories simply not employ people over the age of 13, or only the ones associated with Romney?

The captions put in the video assert Romney was supporting child labor, but in this covert video, Romney never says so.

So again, are you going to start accusing Obama of supporting child labor? If not, why not? It's no bigger leap than the one you're already making.

The video says more about him providing jobs in China as opposed to the US. Isn't he supposed to be this miracle "job creator" he's trying to boast? Yet, here we see him talking about his factory where his cheap labor force continues to make him bank. Mitt is going to do what's best for him and his cronies. Continue to cut taxes on his wealth class, leave open loop holes, and continue to allow jobs to be shipped overseas. It's what he does, and he's not going to change anytime soon. (if ever)How the hell do you get that from what Romney was saying? Again, you're making leaps an olympic athlete would be proud of.

"95% of life is set up for you if you're born in this country" is what Romney says. Comparing that to a factory in China, reinforces that point.

So aside from no evidence of child labor in this case, check this out:

When asked by ABC News' Jon Karl about the surreptitiously shot video, Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie handed off responsibility to Bain.

"As for Bain, you know that video is old, you can call Bain and ask them what they did in terms of investing on it, I don't have any information on that," Gillespie said.

A person familiar with Bain's activities told ABC News "we didn't buy the factory." And according to a FactCheck.org analysis in June the three other Chinese factories that the Obama campaign has highlighted as examples of Romney's outsourcing were all bought by Bain after Romney left the company in 1999. http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/
(http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-romney-clamor-toughest-china/story?id=17254934#.UFoIEq4Xu6V)

But keep on parroting unsubstantiated stories, NC_Skins. How can you go wrong with anonymous sources whose captions don't even match up with the video?

Who says they are getting a pass? They are just as stupid as Limbaugh, but the difference is they are trying to be funny, Limbaugh is not. Limbaugh says things with racial tones and implications because he knows his base thinks those things.You don't realize you just gave one group a pass as "just trying to be funny", while demonizing another who's actually paid to say stupid stuff? :doh:

huh,do what?How is that people who say "I'll slap the first ***** I see" and "I'm raping a ***** girl" do get treated as "trying to be funny, and not really serious".

But the guy who says THE MEDIA has this viewpoint "As far as the media's concerned, Mrs. Obama deserves this," he said. "Look at the sordid past. Look at our slave past, look at the discriminatory past. It's only fair that people of color get their taste of the wealth of America too.", is racist?

Does anybody else realize that Limbaugh was actually accusing the media of being racist? Throwing race again into the debate is wrong. But racist like those tweets?

How does one set of blatantly racist statements get a pass as "just trying to be funny", while another set of statements accusing political opponents of being racist is automatically condemned as racist itself*?

*Guess all politicians are racist, huh?

Very good column, for those that are religious a must read.

RealClearReligion - Religion in a Footnote (http://www.realclearreligion.org/articles/2012/09/19/religion_in_a_footnote.html)

Should Obama be checking the ID and documentation of every place he visits? Does Obama check fire codes of all the places he visits? The bastard!

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory for cheap labor and then pass off to the American people that he's what is good for the US economy? If so, then yes he does. Romney is doing exactly that though.




Yes there are underage sweatshops in China, and this country. So why do you assume the plant Romney went to employed children? Do Chinese factories simply not employ people over the age of 13, or only the ones associated with Romney?

Again, you are looking too deep in the children aspect. Look at the "I'm what's good for the US economy" (while buying cheap labor factories in China). That's REALLY good for the US workers.




So again, are you going to start accusing Obama of supporting child labor? If not, why not? It's no bigger leap than the one you're already making.

Is Obama trying to buy a Chinese factory fenced in by bob wire that potentially employees underage girls? When he does, alert me.




When asked by ABC News' Jon Karl about the surreptitiously shot video, Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie handed off responsibility to Bain.

"As for Bain, you know that video is old, you can call Bain and ask them what they did in terms of investing on it, I don't have any information on that," Gillespie said.

A person familiar with Bain's activities told ABC News "we didn't buy the factory." And according to a FactCheck.org analysis in June the three other Chinese factories that the Obama campaign has highlighted as examples of Romney's outsourcing were all bought by Bain after Romney left the company in 1999. http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/
(http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-romney-clamor-toughest-china/story?id=17254934#.UFoIEq4Xu6V)

But keep on parroting unsubstantiated stories, NC_Skins. How can you go wrong with anonymous sources whose captions don't even match up with the video?

It's nto unsubstantiated. You heard it from HIMSELF. HE WAS ****ING BUYING CHEAP LABOR IN CHINA!! Just totally disregard the underage factor at this point. You are still left with a guy, who's claiming to be what's best for the US economy, trying to buy cheap labor factories in China. He really support the US workforce alright.

Also, that bullshit about this happening after he left Bain is a sham. Fact is, his name was attached to the SEC documents as being the head of the company even in early 2000's. If his name is to it, he's declared legally to take full responsibility for that company. Otherwise, he's filing a false document with the SEC. Let's not go down this road again with the whole "he's not in charge even though the legal papers say otherwise" crap. Thanks.