2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

well, the general truth of the world is that employment solves unrest. period.

I agree 110%,I just want it to be in the US and not China,India,or Mexico.

Fair enough, in fact I couldn't agree more. He really has set the bar ridiculously high in terms of his speeches. However the fact of the matter is he now needed a 'home run' speech now more then ever. Last election the Democrats had a huge advantage to begin with simply with the fact that they weren't Republicans. This election the roles are reversed.

As for the polls I don't know. A lot of them are still within the margin of error and the fact that his current lead is coming off the convention makes me wonder if it'll even stick.



Also keep in mind John Kerry thought he was going to be the next president of the United States based on exit polls.
The Raw Story | Early exit polls predict Kerry will be victor (http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/early_exit_polls_kerry_win_1102.htm)

The funny thing is in a good economy no one would stand for the Republican social platform which is basically anti-gay, anti-women, anti-environment, pro-war, on top of blurring the lines of separation between church and state.

However peoples livlihoods come first and the funny thing is that right now the Bush presidency which never saw unemployment over 6% until the 2008 housing bubble collapse is starting to look pretty good to a lot of people right now. Not to different from Clinton either who had a 39% approval rating when he left office, which is now in the high 60's as people are asked to look back on his tenure in office.

Anyway the point of this disjointed rambling is simple. The economy is stagnant right now and people for better or worse are pointing fingers at the Dems. That alone will probably be enough to get Romney into office.

Other than your gut feeling, there's no evidence out there supporting your argument. Post convention, Mitt Romney has pulled ads out of Pennsylvania and Michigan. Wisconsin could be next. Basically, his path to victory is more narrow than the day this thread first began.

Yes, people are uneasy about the economy and Democrats have played a role in that. But Mitt Romney hasn't given voters one compelling reason to change leadership mid-stream. President Obama sucks, this and that isn't a campaign strategy. At least not a winning one. This morning on Meet The Press Romney changed positions on healthcare yet again, saying he won't scrap all of Obamacare. At first it was repeal and replace my first day in office. Now it's kinda repeal,or better yet, let's call it Romneycare!

If President Obama opens up a lead in Ohio, it's Katy bar the door.

Is this guy serious?

Romney: “I'm not getting rid of all of health care reform,” Romney said. “Of course, there are a number of things that I like in healthcare reform that I'm going to put in place.”

Romney says he likes some parts of Obamacare - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/09/romney-i-like-some-parts-of-obamacare-134948.html?hp=f2)

It's voter suppression plain and simple. There's zero evidence of voter fraud. It's a manufactured crisis to justifying Jim Crow tactics.

But..Romney won't carry either Ohio or Pennsylvania.

If your not checking ID's at the polls how would you even know how much voter fraud is going on. When I moved I forgot that I had changed my address and went to my old polling place to vote. I voted and when my dad went to vote they told him he had allready voted. He left and called me to see if I had voted at that location. Well to make a long story short they never followed up on this and no one ever questioned why his name was checked off when he said he had not voted. No chaecks and balance so there will not be any evidence of voter fraud.

Dude, it doesn't take a genius to see what voter ID laws are designed to do and it's not get rid of voter fraud. Let's stop and think about this. Legally, you can't make people pay for the right to vote correct? However, you can supposedly require them to have a "Voter ID" that you can obtain for free.


Here is the catch. In order to obtain this "Voter ID" card, you'll need a valid ID and other forms of proof to be able to get it. So then, you have to start paying money for these items of proof, just so you can vote. Drivers License/State ID = costs money. Birth Certificates = costs money. Most forms of ID require money for you to obtain them.

So now you are asking a bunch of poor people to pony up cash to be able to get this "Free Voter ID" card, and have them jump through a ton of hoops in order to do so.


If you seriously think voter ID laws are designed to prevent voter fraud, then you really will believe I have beach front property to sell you in Arizona.

The poor has no problem with producing an ID to get food stamps and well fair why is it such a problem to vote?

The poor has no problem with producing an ID to get food stamps and well fair why is it such a problem to vote?

I don't know, why don't you ask them? (while we're generalizing and all).

Romney doubles down on Obama criticism (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/12/romney-doubles-down-on-obama-criticism/)

Mitt Romney really is a scum bag piece of shit.



Romney under friendly fire for his response to embassy attack in Libya | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-under-friendly-fire-response-libyan-embassy-attack-213729383--election.html)

Asshole should be taking heat. He should just drop out of the race and have some class. Guess that's something money couldn't buy.

If President Obama loses the election...some people are making plans already:

http://i.imgur.com/XQV7D.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/icU6p.jpg

If Romney wins in PA or Ohio, it will because the GOP has restricted poor/minorities from voting with Voter ID laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/us/politics/pennsylvania-judge-keeps-voter-id-law-intact.html


PA resident here. Voter fraud, especially in Philly has been very bad in the last few elections...not to forget about the Black Panthers at the polls threatening anyone who "looks" like they might not vote for Obama last time. One election, 103% of registered voters in one Philly voting precinct cast a vote. More votes than registered voters. You support that?

How exactly is asking to show ID to match the voter registration book keeping anyone from casting a LEGITIMATE vote? That's the key...anyone opposed to this common sense standard is most likely on the side that commits voter fraud.

PA offers an ID card, always has for those who cannot or will not get a driver's license. It's not expensive, just a few dollars (about $8 or 10) as opposed to $36 for a driver's license. and there was been talk of giving it out for no cost to help people get the IDs they need for the election.

If you won't get one, you're most likely either lazy, an illegal immigrant, a criminal who doesn't want to show up at a Government office and present an address, or just stubborn. There is public transportation and assistance from county organizations in PA to help the elderly get this done...the offer was put out by the Agency on Aging to pick people up and help them get IDs.

Being poor, old or a minority are not valid excuses for not having an ID. Anyone in PA can get one. If people would take a few minutes to get it done instead of protesting, they'd be ready. This discussion has been going on for about 2 years...everyone had plenty of time.

How can you even get through life without ANY form of photo ID anyway?

The poor has no problem with producing an ID to get food stamps and well fair why is it such a problem to vote?

GASP! How dare you speak the truth?


If we want to talk about REAL voter suppression, lets talk about the military absentee ballots, or lack of, in the 2008 Presidential election. NUMEROUS states, all conveniently "blue" states either did not send the overseas military absentee ballots out on time or at all. If anyone should get to vote, it's our active military.

They knew who the soldiers would support, so the ballots got "lost" or delayed...from several states. Sure...accident, right?