2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)


Slingin Sammy 33
09-07-2012, 12:09 PM
Here is the catch. In order to obtain this "Voter ID" card, you'll need a valid ID and other forms of proof to be able to get it. So then, you have to start paying money for these items of proof, just so you can vote. Drivers License/State ID = costs money. Birth Certificates = costs money. Most forms of ID require money for you to obtain them.

So now you are asking a bunch of poor people to pony up cash to be able to get this "Free Voter ID" card, and have them jump through a ton of hoops in order to do so.


If you seriously think voter ID laws are designed to prevent voter fraud, then you really will believe I have beach front property to sell you in Arizona.It's a C-O-N-spiracy! Sorry, not buying that someone who wants to vote is so poor they can't get a free ID.

12thMan
09-07-2012, 01:21 PM
It's voter suppression plain and simple. There's zero evidence of voter fraud. It's a manufactured crisis to justifying Jim Crow tactics.

But..Romney won't carry either Ohio or Pennsylvania.

NC_Skins
09-07-2012, 03:25 PM
Johnson campaign has had enough of Republican ballot shenanigans - West Palm Beach Libertarian | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/johnson-campaign-has-had-enough-of-republican-ballot-shenanigans)


Nah...the GOP aren't trying to suppress votes. Nope. Just a figment of my imagination.


With word Friday that a challenge has been lodged in Ohio to try to remove Libertarian Party presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson's name from the November ballot in Ohio, a senior advisor to Johnson's campaign is charging that the national Republican Party is mounting a concerted effort to "deny citizens the right to vote for the candidate of their choice."

In recent weeks, with the full support and legal assistance of the Republican Party, Johnson's ballot status has been challenged in Michigan, Pennsylvania, the District of Columbia, Iowa and now Ohio.


Bunch of ****ing clowns.

Slingin Sammy 33
09-07-2012, 04:41 PM
It's voter suppression plain and simple. There's zero evidence of voter fraud. It's a manufactured crisis to justifying Jim Crow tactics.

But..Romney won't carry either Ohio or Pennsylvania.Wow, a requirement to have an ID is now a Jim Crow tactic. I've got nothing else to say on this.

Dirtbag59
09-08-2012, 05:28 AM
I thought that my support for Romney this time around may have clouded my judgement but I thought Obama's speech was very mediocre, turns out I wasn't the only one who felt that way. Nothing like the 2004 speech that saw him burst onto the scene and nothing like the 2008 speech that swept a lot of us off our feet.

How Obama's speech played - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/how-obamas-speech-played-134900.html)

Clintons speech on the other hand was great.

12thMan
09-08-2012, 02:00 PM
Who cares ..really. It was effective and by far had more details than Mitt Romney. Obama has set the oratory bar so high that people have come to expect a grand slam every time he gives a speech. A part of me is glad it was met with some criticism from the press, because they've been consistently wrong about nearly everything this cycle. In fact, last election cycle too.

Anyway, he's already begun to pull away from Romney in all the post convention polls. Today's Gallup, which is by no means Obama friendly, has him with highest approval rating in 15 months.

12thMan
09-08-2012, 02:08 PM
One of three polls showing President Obama with a growing convention bounce.

Poll: Obama opens up four-point lead on Romney nationally - The Hill's Ballot Box (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/248297-obama-up-by-4-points-in-new-poll)

Giantone
09-08-2012, 04:44 PM
Wow, a requirement to have an ID is now a Jim Crow tactic. I've got nothing else to say on this.


I admit to being old but I swear I remember the "good old days" when people tried to get as many people as possible to vote,not bar them from voting!


Thanks George W and Thanks Florida .

Dirtbag59
09-09-2012, 04:36 AM
Who cares ..really. It was effective and by far had more details than Mitt Romney. Obama has set the oratory bar so high that people have come to expect a grand slam every time he gives a speech. A part of me is glad it was met with some criticism from the press, because they've been consistently wrong about nearly everything this cycle. In fact, last election cycle too.

Anyway, he's already begun to pull away from Romney in all the post convention polls. Today's Gallup, which is by no means Obama friendly, has him with highest approval rating in 15 months.

Fair enough, in fact I couldn't agree more. He really has set the bar ridiculously high in terms of his speeches. However the fact of the matter is he now needed a 'home run' speech now more then ever. Last election the Democrats had a huge advantage to begin with simply with the fact that they weren't Republicans. This election the roles are reversed.

As for the polls I don't know. A lot of them are still within the margin of error and the fact that his current lead is coming off the convention makes me wonder if it'll even stick.

Obama's lead over Romney is comparable to Romney's former lead over the president after the Republican National Convention finished last week, Clark said.

Also keep in mind John Kerry thought he was going to be the next president of the United States based on exit polls.
The Raw Story | Early exit polls predict Kerry will be victor (http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/early_exit_polls_kerry_win_1102.htm)

The funny thing is in a good economy no one would stand for the Republican social platform which is basically anti-gay, anti-women, anti-environment, pro-war, on top of blurring the lines of separation between church and state.

However peoples livlihoods come first and the funny thing is that right now the Bush presidency which never saw unemployment over 6% until the 2008 housing bubble collapse is starting to look pretty good to a lot of people right now. Not to different from Clinton either who had a 39% approval rating when he left office, which is now in the high 60's as people are asked to look back on his tenure in office.

Anyway the point of this disjointed rambling is simple. The economy is stagnant right now and people for better or worse are pointing fingers at the Dems. That alone will probably be enough to get Romney into office.

That Guy
09-09-2012, 05:41 AM
well, the general truth of the world is that employment solves unrest. period.

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