2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

He should, but he's not.





The President has about as much influence on the economy as he does the weather. There are several key factors here. The global economy is one of those factors, and it affects ours just as ours affects theirs. The second factor is Congress. This is by far the most important as they dictate policy. Only THEY can implement a Presidents plan. Now, lets look back and see how the Republicans have stonewalled Obama his entire tenure unless it was somehow benefiting them.Congress has turned into a dog and pony show. Guess what? If Romney gets elected, what do you think the Dem controlled Senate is going to do after 4 years of the Republicans doing it? They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."

When a Rep. is pres. its his fault and when a Dem is pres its everyone but his fault. LMAO If business perceives a pres and anti business either real of perceived then the president hurts the economy. The reason why Obama does not get the backing of congress is because he shit on them early and often in his administration. Bill Clinton, Ronald Regan, Bush Sr, and other president who knew how to lead could find common ground with others and work from there. Obama has had everything handed to him and does not know how to cross the line to get others to work with him. He is just a shitty leader that does not know how to get things done so he just ignores our constitution and does what he wants.

As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/story/2011-12-16/fannie-freddie-execs-fraud/52007522/1)



Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?


MAC2xeT2yOg

huh ?

Obama is a bad man, he hates business and America...as Dirtbag wisely articulated, we got to stop the war on wall street. No Glass Steagall Act, no regulation. No loophole closures, no consumer protections. Time to free the crooks and let freedom reign.

^^ Seeing the above. I still wonder why some of you continue to bicker about Obama, when the single biggest issue around is something you continue to ignore. I even made a thread on this, and not even one reply. Nothing.

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/48688-take-money-run-office-expose-lobbying.html


Not busy enough to busy to bash the Democratic leader, but too busy to listen to podcast? Your politicians are bought and paid for.

Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?


MAC2xeT2yOgYour video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.

Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

No, you don't get it, and it's very evident you don't get it.

Also, your claim that you've got a union/anti-capitalist lobby for every business lobby is a downright falsehood. The numbers prove you wrong.


Lobbying spent by industries
Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i)

Lobbying spent by Top Spenders
Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s)

Union lobbying doesn't hold a candle to the spending that businesses do.


(watch the video where he interviews a lobbyist)
Corporations Have Unlimited Lobbying Power, Lobbyist Says (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/30/lobbying-dc-lobbyists_n_744878.html)

Carrying on with your party's falsehood claims though.

Your video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM)

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.


You, a conservative, a republican, don't think the current Republican House passing out checks on the house floor during a vote on subsidizing (giving government cheese) mega tobacco farmers is not relevant in the discussion of criminality and sending people to prison? You need help man.


There is a difference between bad legislation and being on the house floor to buy votes, literally. If you want accountability how can you expect anyone to hold Dems accountable if the other guys are even more crooked?

Guess he should start listening to Ted Nugent I suppose. :laughing-


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Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against' | Music News | Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816)

You, a conservative, a republican, don't think the current Republican House passing out checks on the house floor during a vote on subsidizing (giving government cheese) mega tobacco farmers is not relevant in the discussion of criminality and sending people to prison? You need help man.It is relevant in the larger sense, but not relevant to your statement specific to Wall St. and the recent collapse.

Anyone, on either side of the aisle, taking lobbyist money to influence legislation should be investigated and if laws broken prosecuted.

Guess he should start listening to Ted Nugent I suppose. :laughing-


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haha Morello just pwned the crap outta him...

I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "**** the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!

Something tells me Ryan really doesn't "get" Rage Against the Machine. He might listen, but he's not really hearing it.