2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

What are you implying? When it comes to business nothing can be learned from fellow warpathers? There's always an oppertunity to learn from other people's experience despite the plethora of goofballs such as yourself.


But, hey, unlike you I can't do it by myself and there is going to be a long list of people and entities to thank.You are 100% correct, in any business or personal success in addition to personal hardwork, dedication, talent, etc. there are always many folks who helped along the way. A parent, coach, mentor, business partner, friend.....even fellow warpather, but none of those folks was provided by gov't. I would say by the grace of God, others may have a different explanation, but either way success is NEVER provided by gov't (unless you're an Obama crony with a green-energy company looking for a loan).

See this previous post: http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/47853-2012-presidential-election-free-all-edition-5.html#post924794

You are 100% correct, in any business or personal success in addition to personal hardwork, dedication, talent, etc. there are always many folks who helped along the way. A parent, coach, mentor, business partner, friend.....even fellow warpather, but none of those folks was provided by gov't. I would say by the grace of God, others may have a different explanation, but either way success is NEVER provided by gov't (unless you're an Obama crony with a green-energy company looking for a loan).

See this previous post: http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/47853-2012-presidential-election-free-all-edition-5.html#post924794

What about the community that build the facilities as Romney alluded to? I suspect we both know what Obama was saying but it's easier to just make fun of what he said and have people like firstdown go full retarded with it.

The biggest supporters of small business loans are Republicans...hell, they created the small business administration and it certainly can't be said that it's unhelpful. Goofballs like firstdown think money they get from the bank is actually due to their good credit when in fact it's the government basically giving these banks loan guarantees so they can lend. To top it off, people like him go full retarded and forget that the recent economic downturn basically froze the credit market and the government came in and saved the day.

What about the community that build the facilities as Romney alluded to? I suspect we both know what Obama was saying but it's easier to just make fun of what he said and have people like firstdown go full retarded with it.

The biggest supporters of small business loans are Republicans...hell, they created the small business administration and it certainly can't be said that it's unhelpful. Goofballs like firstdown think money they get from the bank is actually due to their good credit when in fact it's the government basically giving these banks loan guarantees so they can lend. To top it off, people like him go full retarded and forget that the recent economic downturn basically froze the credit market and the government came in and saved the day.Here's the full text (two paras in debate) of what Obama said: "
“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”
If all he said was the first para, I'm with you, it's a stretch to expand it to he's saying you basically owe the gov't.

However the second para is what's damning (see what happens without a teleprompter). His references to a "great teacher", "this unbelievable American system", "investments is roads & bridges", "Gov't research creating the Internet" are alluding to gov't funding/programs being responsible for private business success. It's just what he believes, and that's OK. Be who you are, tell the truth about your vision for the country, not what you think will get you elected, and let the chips fall where they may.

That's why I'm very happy with the Ryan pick (whether it ends up costing me $$$ or not). The GOP needs to stop being Dem-lite, or the Diet Coke of liberalism, embrace fiscally conservative policies/values and communicate to the American people (leave the social stuff to the states to decide).

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The biggest supporters of small business loans are Republicans...hell, they created the small business administration and it certainly can't be said that it's unhelpful. Goofballs like firstdown think money they get from the bank is actually due to their good credit when in fact it's the government basically giving these banks loan guarantees so they can lend. To top it off, people like him go full retarded and forget that the recent economic downturn basically froze the credit market and the government came in and saved the day.I don't know how FD financed his business when he started, but when I had the pizza shop all the financing I used was private, SBA loan paperwork was a f-ing nightmare. I get the FDIC program and SBA loan programs, but again they're paid for by taxes all of us pay. I would argue that a successful small business owner pays more in taxes than most and if the choice was to slightly scale back gov't programs to keep taxes level or reduce them I'm sure 99% of small business owners would be in favo of that approach.

And as I've mentioned before, the current economic downturn was primarily sparked by long-term gov't interference in the mortage loan markets. Was the bank bailout necessary to stave off a financial meltdown....most likely.

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You Olympians, however, know you didn’t get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that [on your own]. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

I think the context of Obama's speech and previous speeches allude to exactly what he is saying. It's very self-evident what he was saying but perhaps there is a reading comprehension issue at play here? Or is it partisan hackery?


You gleaned over and avoided the issue of whether facilities that communities build constitute government helping individuals succeed as Romney stipulated. Perhaps you should be concerned more about what your candidate believes and did in creating Romneycare than parse what Obama has to say.



At their core these two speeches have exactly same message:
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No my good credit got my loan.


So ,the bank ,taking a chance on you is not someone ......helping you?Had you not gotten the loan,what would have happen?

This can happen at the Federal level as well, just need to put adults in charge. A Balanced Budget amendment (49 states have it) and entitlement reform wouldn't hurt either.

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So ,the bank ,taking a chance on you is not someone ......helping you?Had you not gotten the loan,what would have happen?

Helping me? Was I not their customer who they made money by loaning me money? I actually did not really need a business loan to open my business but I did open a line of credit just in case I needed additional capital.

The reason we laugh at what Obama says is that he thinks Gov. is the answer to everyones problems. He has a pattern of this thinking so when he says those things it just in line whith his thinking that gov. knows best. We know what he said and that statement alone is no big deal but if you look over his history for every problem he has a gov. solution.

And the ironic thing is a tax increase would do almost nothing to help reduce the deficit.

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The Obama Treasury's own numbers confirm that the tax would raise at most $5 billion a year—or less than 0.5% of the $1.2 trillion fiscal 2012 budget deficit and over the next decade a mere 0.1% of the $45.43 trillion the federal government will spend. When asked about those revenue projections, White House aide Jason Furman backpedaled from Mr. Obama's rationale by explaining that the tax was never intended "to bring the deficit down and the debt under control."


The Buffett rule is really nothing more than a sneaky way for Mr. Obama to justify doubling the capital gains and dividend tax rate to 30% from 15% today. That's the real spread-the-wealth target. The problem is that this is a tax on capital that is needed for firms to grow and hire more workers. Mr. Obama says he wants an investment-led recovery, not one led by consumption, but how will investment be spurred by doubling the tax on it?

The only investment and hiring the Buffett rule is likely to spur will be outside the United States—in China, Germany, India, and other competitors with much more investment-friendly tax regimes. The Buffett rule would give the U.S. the fourth highest capital gains rate among OECD nations, according to a new study by Ernst & Young, to go along with what is now the highest corporate tax rate (a little under 40% for the combined federal and average state rate). That's what happens when politicians pursue fairness over growth.