2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

All due respect the wealth of top 1 percent is overblown. This video can explain it better then I can.
Are the Poor Getting Poorer? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vDhcqua3_W8)

The problem with this video is that they don't take into account the number of jobs a particular home is working. Many poor people could in fact be working multiple jobs. It also doesn't take into account the costs of goods and inflation over time. A gallon of gas or a loaf of bread isn't what it cost 15 years ago. The wealth of the top 1 percent is NOT overblown, if anything, it understated. All this video says is that the poor people have gotten richer over time. Sure, their measly income has increase, but not at the rate of which the rich have and not at the rate to match cost of living.

It's the Inequality, Stupid | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph)





Full disclosure I grew up in a family that got to the top 1 percent for a time during the 90s in part due to the stock market boom. My father grew up in a family of four kids where the father was a humble Bureaucrat. Two of the kids in my Dads family went on to be VP's of major corporations, another became a partner at a major major firm and is literally a millionaire a couple times over. The fourth child went on to be an amazing parent.

The ability to move up through income brackets is what makes this country great and as I progress further into my career I want that chance to be made available to me. I personally think the Obama move towards socialism is overblown and fear mongering among die hard neo-cons but at the same time I want a party in the White House that makes it easier for businesses to do business.


That's nice and dandy, but that fairy tale doesn't exist for everybody. Hey guys, if Usain Bolt can win a gold medal so can you with hard work!! That's akin to your logic of people being able to progress through with hard work. It's a myth. Sure, it does happen to people, but on the overall whole, it's not really feasible. How many CEO jobs are there in the US? What if everybody worked just as hard as each other, would that mean they all could get CEO jobs? Nope. A lot of this has to do with luck, social connections, education, and work experience. I've worked in the private sector and currently work in the government side of things. You'll be surprised to know how often the guy who doesn't give it all or who's a nitwit gets promoted, while the guy who busts his ass doesn't because who's going to do the work if he gets promoted?...lol The below is why I love George Carlin so much. The man told the truth as it is, and knew even back then how things were. I think he sums up the "American Dream" quite well.

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For few, they do indeed live the American Dream of making it to the top and prospering, but it's largely a myth for the rest of the population. This doesn't mean you shouldn't strive to be the best YOU because of this though. Being self fulfilled with one's abilities/talent is a important part of many people's life, but that doesn't always involve reaching the top.





From what I've seen in this election the Republicans are that party as the Dems seem more interested in their vendetta with Wall Street then they are getting the economy to work again.

Then you haven't been paying attention one bit.
Senate Republicans Block Another Jobs Bill, Face Backlash From American Public (http://www.policymic.com/articles/11510/senate-republicans-block-another-jobs-bill-face-backlash-from-american-public)

Why Congress Won't Pass A Jobs Bill: 'Obama Is On The Ropes; Why Do We Appear Ready To Hand Him A Win?' | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/09/12/316598/why-congress-wont-pass-a-jobs-bill-obama-is-on-the-ropes-why-do-we-appear-ready-to-hand-him-a-win/)

Puhhhlease...lol

/facepalm

Honestly I don't see how they're going to do it. They're attacking the Obama administration with kid gloves, they don't have a clear plan outlined instead running on the fact that they aren't Obama, and they have a notorious flip flopper as their nominee. In other words it's scary how much Romney reminds me of John Kerry.

Plus they're getting killed in the polls and falling behind in key battleground states. We're also seeing seniors and latinos leaning towards Obama (ie Florida).

Right now Obama is the safe bet to win the election. I mean for goodness sake he's 9 points ahead in a Fox News poll.Not so fast my friend: From Rasmussen. "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided."

Colorado '12 Presidential General Election Poll - Wednesday, August 8, 2012 - 2012 Election - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/p/2012-election/polls/president/colorado/colorado-12-presidential-general-election-206)

Election 2012 Polling and News, Republican Presidential Candidates, Obama, Interactive Polling Data (http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx)

More 2008 Obama Voters Than McCain Voters Switching Sides (http://www.gallup.com/poll/156446/2008-Obama-Voters-McCain-Voters-Switching-Sides.aspx)

Democratic Voting Enthusiasm Down Sharply From 2004, 2008 (http://www.gallup.com/poll/156194/Democratic-Voting-Enthusiasm-Down-Sharply-2004-2008.aspx)

and now that saden's on the hook for more coin.....here's why Romney wins big in Nov. 2012: Root: Why Obama Will Lose in a Landslide | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/why-obama-will-lose-in-a-landslide/)

I think its great we have a conservative in the race now.

There's nothing conservative about Paul Ryan. Nothing. He rubber stamped every single Bush policy bloating the size government, including TARP, which most of you so called conservatives hate.

Paul Ryan has passed a grand total of two bills in 13 years of being in Congress. One was naming a post office. They got nothing.

Paul Ryan's voting record:


Paul Ryan on the Issues (http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm/)




Decent article on Paul Ryan's voting career
Rep. Paul Ryan's voting record reflects a GOP foot soldier - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ryan-record-20120812,0,5460291.story)

Get your head out of your asses. Seriously. If you can't see what giving ALL the wealth to just a few select individuals is doing to the economy, then I really cant' help you. Nobody said that the wealth needs to be redistributed equally, but the gap in income between the wealthy and the poor is in large a reason why the economy sucks the way it does. Take away income from the middle/poor class, then you take away purchasing power and DEMAND out of the economy. It's basic economics.as FD mentioned, last I checked it wasn't the gov'ts job to "give" wealth to anyone. In your post you mention "redistributing" wealth.....shows clearly what side of the spectrum you fall under.....I'd say far left of 12th and saden. Nothing in the Romney/Paul plan takes from the middle class and gives to the "rich", another typical lib talking point.

Have either of you even read Paul Ryan's budget proposal? It's evident you haven't. Here, allow me to give you some insight.This is your insight, outright lies and distortions of Ryan's plan by; the Center for American Progress, Ezra Klein and the Atlantic (plus an article from 2011), all left-wing hacks. LOL, again par for the course with you. How about I give you some insight so you can get your head out of your ass:

In the Ryan-Wyden (Dem, Oregon) plan:
1. No one over the age of 55 would be affected in any way.
2. Traditional Medicare fee-for-service would remain available for all. “Premium support”—that is, government funding of private insurance plans chosen by individuals—is an option for those who choose it. No senior would be forced out of the traditional Medicare program against his will.
3. Overall funding for Medicare under the Ryan-Wyden plan is scheduled to grow at the same rate as under President Obama’s proposals.

This plan is the market giving seniors cheaper, higher quality choices they can take if they wish, with the traditional program remaining an option.

Also, keep in mind that it was Obama and the dems who are gutting Medicare to the tune of $ 700B and will institute health care rationing for seniors under Obamacare.

Another important piece of information which the media arms of the DNC (CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN) declined to mention.....Paul Ryan's mother is a senior in Florida.....on Medicare. I wonder my the "unbiased" CBS would edit that portion of an interview with Ryan???? hmmmm?
CBS Doesn’t Want You to Know Ryan's Mother Is On Medicare - CBS News - Fox Nation (http://nation.foxnews.com/cbs-news/2012/08/13/cbs-doesn-t-want-you-know-ryans-mother-medicare)

Not so fast my friend: From Rasmussen. "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided."

Colorado '12 Presidential General Election Poll - Wednesday, August 8, 2012 - 2012 Election - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/p/2012-election/polls/president/colorado/colorado-12-presidential-general-election-206)

Election 2012 Polling and News, Republican Presidential Candidates, Obama, Interactive Polling Data (http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx)

More 2008 Obama Voters Than McCain Voters Switching Sides (http://www.gallup.com/poll/156446/2008-Obama-Voters-McCain-Voters-Switching-Sides.aspx)

Democratic Voting Enthusiasm Down Sharply From 2004, 2008 (http://www.gallup.com/poll/156194/Democratic-Voting-Enthusiasm-Down-Sharply-2004-2008.aspx)

and now that saden's on the hook for more coin.....here's why Romney wins big in Nov. 2012: Root: Why Obama Will Lose in a Landslide | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/why-obama-will-lose-in-a-landslide/)


Bro, just wait till the Obama campaign starts kicking in those Romney/Ryan Budget/Ayn Rand ads you'll see those number plummet faster than Enron stock.

Most people don't know who he is, but they'll soon find out fast he's the guy that wants to take their SS/medicare/medicaid away.

Romney in a landslide?

Hilarious.

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Paul Ryan has passed a grand total of two bills in 13 years of being in Congress. One was naming a post office. They got nothing.Funny you say that.....reminds me of a certain liberal Senator who is now POTUS that only had two bills passed into law. Another typical lib attack point, anything to stay off the piss-poor economy, unemployment, high energy prices, and gov't takeover of the healthcare system.

as FD mentioned, last I checked it wasn't the gov'ts job to "give" wealth to anyone. In your post you mention "redistributing" wealth.....shows clearly what side of the spectrum you fall under.....I'd say far left of 12th and saden. Nothing in the Romney/Paul plan takes from the middle class and gives to the "rich", another typical lib talking point.

I don't recall saying that the government needed to give wealth to the poor. The can however tax the rich people appropriately so guys like Mitt Romney can't get lower tax brackets than those who have much less. Nothing in Romney/Paul plan takes away from middle class? Really? The plan would actually increase taxes on the middle class, yet cut taxes for the upper class.





This is your insight, outright lies and distortions of Ryan's plan by; the Center for American Progress, Ezra Klein and the Atlantic (plus an article from 2011), all left-wing hacks. LOL, again par for the course with you. How about I give you some insight so you can get your head out of your ass:

How about this source?

Would Paul Ryan's budget give Mitt Romney zero taxes? - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-would-paul-ryans-budget-give-mitt-romney-zero-taxes-20120812,0,464987.story)

Yeah. Dude outright lies? Come on man. Left wing hacks that were truthful? So in other words, you have nothing to retort with or can't disprove any of it. Gotcha.

Funny you say that.....reminds me of a certain liberal Senator who is now POTUS that only had two bills passed into law. Another typical lib attack point, anything to stay off the piss-poor economy, unemployment, high energy prices, and gov't takeover of the healthcare system.

Obama didn't spend thirteen years in Congress and neither was he holding himself up as some fiscal hawk. Rep. Ryan also voted to raise the debt ceiling 7 times under Bush. More phone fiscal conservatism. Not surprising.

Thank God the local media outlets around the country aren't drinking the Rove Kool Aid and taking him to task over his record. The Florida newspapers are pounding him in the headlines.

#Awesome