2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;930306]Whoever does a better job of getting people back to work and putting businesses in a postion where they feel good about hiring again is going to help the middle class more then anything. People focus to much on the class warfare.

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Class warfare is exactly what this is,like it or not there is a direct correlation between the demise of the middle class and the demise of Unions around the country.people talk about getting others more educated to get better (other) jobs when their job is sent over seas,yet those jobs are also going over seas.People can not live on 7.50 or even 10.50 a week.
I know people hate Unions,well I've said this before..you want firemen and policemen to walk into buildings and take a bullit fot you ...save your life but when it comes to them being able to support a family screw them,what do think would have happen to the firemen ,EMPs and Police after 9/11 if not for their Unions,yes there have been bad Union as there have been bad owners but the temperment for what is going on right now in this country proves we need Unions.(sorry for the rant)

So how is having more unions and driving up labor cost going to stop jobs from going over seas?

Honestly I don't see how they're going to do it. They're attacking the Obama administration with kid gloves, they don't have a clear plan outlined instead running on the fact that they aren't Obama, and they have a notorious flip flopper as their nominee. In other words it's scary how much Romney reminds me of John Kerry.

Plus they're getting killed in the polls and falling behind in key battleground states. We're also seeing seniors and latinos leaning towards Obama (ie Florida).

Right now Obama is the safe bet to win the election. I mean for goodness sake he's 9 points ahead in a Fox News poll.

Agreed. Neither one could/can rally their own base let alone win over enough independents.

I was not aware that our government is supposed to ration its money out to social classes. Silly me.


Get your head out of your asses. Seriously. If you can't see what giving ALL the wealth to just a few select individuals is doing to the economy, then I really cant' help you. Nobody said that the wealth needs to be redistributed equally, but the gap in income between the wealthy and the poor is in large a reason why the economy sucks the way it does. Take away income from the middle/poor class, then you take away purchasing power and DEMAND out of the economy. It's basic economics.

another typical post boosting your credibility.....


Have either of you even read Paul Ryan's budget proposal? It's evident you haven't. Here, allow me to give you some insight.

Cutting taxes for the rich.
Mitt Romney Would Pay 0.82 Percent in Taxes Under Paul Ryan's Plan - Matthew O'Brien - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/mitt-romney-would-pay-082-percent-in-taxes-under-paul-ryans-plan/261027/)

More money for big oil.
Ryan Budget Pads Big Oil’s Pockets with Senseless Subsidies (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/03/ryan_big_oil.html)


GOP even LOL'd at that shit.
Dems call GOP’s bluff, force House Republicans to vote down their own budget | The Raw Story (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/15/dems-call-gops-bluff-force-house-republicans-to-vote-down-their-own-budget/?ru=yahoo&mod=yahoo_hs)


Wonkbook: Everything you need to know about Paul Ryan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/13/wonkbook-a-paul-ryan-primer/)



Surely, his skipping Florida has nothing to do with how he wants to **** over the Senior citizens.
Ryan Skips Florida, Will Focus On Great Lakes States (http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/ryan-skips-florida-will-focus-on-great-lakes-stat)

Its going to be so great when they take the office back in a few months. I see you just can't wait.

LOL. Romney just gave Obama all the ammo he needs...lol


Romney did Obama a huge favor - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/13/opinion/frum-romney-ryan/index.html)



Ryan more right wing than Dick Cheney? :laughing-


A Risky Rationale Behind Romney's Choice of Ryan - NYTimes.com (http://www.diigo.com/annotated/eee98ce68f2e334785263dbdd417b246)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/08/11/us/politics/11fivethirtyeight-ryan-dwnominate/11fivethirtyeight-ryan-dwnominate-blog480.png


Loop all Romney/Ryan ads to target Budget Plan and Ayn Rand. Rinse/Repeat.

Paul Ryan loved Ayn Rand, before he said he didn't - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-vp-paul-ryan-ayn-rand-20120811,0,1175099.story)

This basically sums it up for the GOP's election candidates this year.


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2582/4153321590_0f72010bdd.jpg


I bet if McCain had ran with a decent VP this year, he'd smoked Obama.

Get your head out of your asses. Seriously. If you can't see what giving ALL the wealth to just a few select individuals is doing to the economy, then I really cant' help you. Nobody said that the wealth needs to be redistributed equally, but the gap in income between the wealthy and the poor is in large a reason why the economy sucks the way it does. Take away income from the middle/poor class, then you take away purchasing power and DEMAND out of the economy. It's basic economics.



All due respect the wealth of top 1 percent is overblown. This video can explain it better then I can.
vDhcqua3_W8
Full disclosure I grew up in a family that got to the top 1 percent for a time during the 90s in part due to the stock market boom. My father grew up in a family of four kids where the father was a humble Bureaucrat. Two of the kids in my Dads family went on to be VP's of major corporations, another became a partner at a major major firm and is literally a millionaire a couple times over. The fourth child went on to be an amazing parent.

The ability to move up through income brackets is what makes this country great and as I progress further into my career I want that chance to be made available to me. I personally think the Obama move towards socialism is overblown and fear mongering among die hard neo-cons but at the same time I want a party in the White House that makes it easier for businesses to do business.

From what I've seen in this election the Republicans are that party as the Dems seem more interested in their vendetta with Wall Street then they are getting the economy to work again.

All due respect the wealth of top 1 percent is overblown. This video can explain it better then I can.
vDhcqua3_W8
Full disclosure I grew up in a family that got to the top 1 percent for a time during the 90s in part due to the stock market boom. My father grew up in a family of four kids where the father was a humble Bureaucrat. Two of the kids in my Dads family went on to be VP's of major corporations, another became a partner at a major major firm and is literally a millionaire a couple times over. The fourth child went on to be an amazing parent.

The ability to move up through income brackets is what makes this country great and as I progress further into my career I want that chance to be made available to me. I personally think the Obama move towards socialism is overblown and fear mongering among die hard neo-cons but at the same time I want a party in the White House that makes it easier for businesses to do business.

From what I've seen in this election the Republicans are that party as the Dems seem more interested in their vendetta with Wall Street then they are getting the economy to work again.


To me thats what makes America, America. Its the ability that no matter who you are, where you come from, or who you know you have a chance at being the next Mark Zuckerberg, Sergey Brin, Oprah Winfrey, Steve Jobs, Dan Snyder or Shahid Khan. While there may be plenty of families in the US that are old money, to me at least, it seems there is just as much new money and that’s what makes it great.

The income mobility (both up and down) in America far exceeds almost all, if not all, other places in the world. Everyone here has a chance at being part of the 1%. And once there, youre not given permanent access to that elite club as many drop back down the charts. I love the idea of living in a place thats based on merit and not entitlement. And i could care less how rich someone thats not me is, as long as I have a chance at being financially equal or superior to them through hard work, perseverance or luck, and not through entitlement, royalty or birth right.

It seems that more and more people arnt happy with what they have, not because of what they have or dont have, but because of what others do have. People need to stop. You either work and take risks to have more or youre happy being complacent, but to attack others because they have more is just plain old fashioned *Greenville North Caroline ignorant.

NCSkins: Would you rather live in a society where income disparity was minimal and everyone enjoyed a similar quality of life. Or would you rather live in a place where there was large income disparity, but the overall quality of life was better for everyone?

That’s what I think it all comes down to. It’s a psychology issue. Is quality of life based off of your own life or is it based off of your life only in comparison to anothers.

*Just playing about that Greenville stuff.....

LOL. Romney just gave Obama all the ammo he needs...lol


Romney did Obama a huge favor - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/13/opinion/frum-romney-ryan/index.html)



Ryan more right wing than Dick Cheney? :laughing-


A Risky Rationale Behind Romney's Choice of Ryan - NYTimes.com (http://www.diigo.com/annotated/eee98ce68f2e334785263dbdd417b246)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/08/11/us/politics/11fivethirtyeight-ryan-dwnominate/11fivethirtyeight-ryan-dwnominate-blog480.png


Loop all Romney/Ryan ads to target Budget Plan and Ayn Rand. Rinse/Repeat.

Paul Ryan loved Ayn Rand, before he said he didn't - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-vp-paul-ryan-ayn-rand-20120811,0,1175099.story)

I think its great we have a conservative in the race now.

See mlmPert gets me. The truth is people move in and out of the top 1 percent all the time. It's not like there's a huge group of people that have a permanent spot among the financial elite. And the biggest surprise is in this top 1 percent you have teachers, secretaries, truck drivers, child care workers, nurses. It's not just corporate fat cats that think of ways to fleece people out of their hard earned money, though there is a healthy amount of lawyers :D.

The Top 1 Percent: What Jobs Do They Have? - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/newsgraphics/2012/0115-one-percent-occupations/index.html)

That’s what I think it all comes down to. It’s a psychology issue. Is quality of life based off of your own life or is it based off of your life only in comparison to anothers.

*Just playing about that Greenville stuff.....very good posts to you and Dirtbag.