2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

This didn't take long... :laughing-


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Oh Boy yippie ki yeah!!!!!!! You have two candidates who have the same basic outlook on monetary policy as well as foreign policy, although Romney is just frothing at the mouth to bomb Iran!! Niether candidate has even touched on the fact that in 2015 a full 50% of our debt is coming due, along with 50% of the UK's debt. Most W European nations are facing having to cough up between 30-35% of their debt. What is the current debt $15.78 trillion now and climbing? You can shut down the entire federal govt down tomorrow, tax the one percenters a full 100%, and raise taxes, along with tariffs, through 2015 and we still would be screwed by at least 2 trillion. Meanwhile under the guise of terrorism and the CIA instigated "Arab Spring" that lets Al Qaeda(another CIA brainchild) and extremists take over the ME, our nation is becoming a police state slowly but surely. But my oh my all those defense contractors will be making gazillions out of the next mess. Either way we are ****ed!!!!!! We need to quit strangling business, but reregulate the financial sector, but niether candidate really talks about that. Romney talks about more ****ing tax cuts, but without a congruent amount of budget slashing, this only will lead to us growing the debt.

Agree, energizes conservative base, helps in midwest/rust belt, shows campaign serious about fixing economy.

Also looks like they wanted to pick a guy they could eventually groom to run for president.

Have you been hanging with Fred and Trent lately?


Romney has just lost the elderly vote and anybody on SS/Medicare/Medicaid.


How Paul Ryan could be a drag on Mitt Romney in Florida - Political Currents - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/11/2946098/how-paul-ryan-could-be-a-drag.html)


Here is this idiot at a town hall meeting trying to peddle the "Trickle Down" economics to the locals and apparently they aren't having any of it.

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He's the typical conservative "give rich all the money, take away from the poor, need more wars" douche bag this country DOES NOT need. **** this guy, and **** the GOP for even trying to peddle these assclowns. It's sad the conservatives have been reduced to this. Can we get McCain back?...lol

Never pegged you as liberal leaning NC. I like you more now. :)

Really though, this election year has me kinda worried. I'm afraid of what this country's working and middle class is going to look like under a Romney run White House. Both from an economical and social standpoint.

The GOP and Romney has put its money where its mouth is with the Ryan pick and that's very admirable. Get your popcorn ready folks, the werewolf and the vampire are on the trail to get their country back.

Never pegged you as liberal leaning NC. I like you more now. :)

Really though, this election year has me kinda worried. I'm afraid of what this country's working and middle class is going to look like under a Romney run White House. Both from an economical and social standpoint.

Whoever does a better job of getting people back to work and putting businesses in a postion where they feel good about hiring again is going to help the middle class more then anything. People focus to much on the class warfare.

It doesn't matter if they cut the tax rate for the top 1% down to 0. If people get to work again and have money to spend it's worth it. We need to stop worrying so much about the class warfare and start figuring out what is going to get unemployment back to 5% to 6%.

I don't know how much of the criticism towards the Obama adminstration is true (such as spending, amount of spending,etc). What I do know is people believe it's real and sadly the impact of those perceptions become real (hring freezes, lower projected earnings on publicly traded companies, etc).

Cutting taxes or raising taxes isn't the problem. It is the massive wasteful budget and our debt. Whoever wins in November has to deal with the fact that up to 50% of our debt comes due in 2015. We will either have a deflationary disaster or a hyperinflationary one(most likely scenario) along with a big, nasty, war. What do you think the bigger picture is with the Syrian "crisis"? Hillary basically told our NATO allies at the conference on the ME that is basically is war or the US and Europe going down the tubes. We can't pay our debt, so we are going to screw over our creditors by making our money next to worthless, and go to war. The road to Tehran goes through Damascus as the neocons say, so that is probably what is going to happen when they hyperinflate the dollar. The very fact that both candidates will follow this path makes this election a totally moot issue. With both candidates, the middle and lower classes of this country will be reduced to serfs. The people will be stuck with lower wages, less benefits, and crappy healthcare, while the manufacturing sector will continue to be shipped to Asia or if manufacturing is revived in the US, you will see the unions busted for good. A healthy economy can't function when everyone is working minimum wage type jobs at Walmart or Piggly Wigglies.

trickle down doesn't work. yes, if you give someone an extra 20 million a year he might hire 1-2 more people, but most of the extra money just goes into savings.

if trickle down did work, cut the tax rate to 5% and let everyone pay higher wages :P. It'd be like rome, you'd have the super super rich (that'd supress wages) and the mass of working poor/lower middle class.

our "job creators" like matt damon, david letterman, stephen colbert etc aren't making jobs. most small business owners aren't in the 1% and that's where most of the jobs actually are. (and i think david letterman is still GETTING 250k a year from the government for farm subsidies... our system is awesome!)

if you want more jobs, lower the cost of entry for small businesses. That's completely seperate from individual tax rates, and most big corps generally want to raise the barriers for entry to keep competition out.

I just see a huge divide between what the GOP says they want to do (create jobs) and what they're actually trying to do (consolidate power/wealth for the incredibly short-sided/self interested).

FL, PA, OH, and IA are among the oldest populations in the country. Before the Ryan pick Romney was trailing Obama in all of those states. I think PA is definitely off the table now. Florida with it's mix of Latino and seniors has gotten significantly more difficult for Romney.

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;930306]Whoever does a better job of getting people back to work and putting businesses in a postion where they feel good about hiring again is going to help the middle class more then anything. People focus to much on the class warfare.

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Class warfare is exactly what this is,like it or not there is a direct correlation between the demise of the middle class and the demise of Unions around the country.people talk about getting others more educated to get better (other) jobs when their job is sent over seas,yet those jobs are also going over seas.People can not live on 7.50 or even 10.50 a week.
I know people hate Unions,well I've said this before..you want firemen and policemen to walk into buildings and take a bullit fot you ...save your life but when it comes to them being able to support a family screw them,what do think would have happen to the firemen ,EMPs and Police after 9/11 if not for their Unions,yes there have been bad Union as there have been bad owners but the temperment for what is going on right now in this country proves we need Unions.(sorry for the rant)