2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

Ever notice when conservatives decry Obama socialism they rarely, if ever, point to an actual policy signed into law?

It is amazing the level of intellectual deficit they often exhibit. When asked specifically what part of Romney's plan for the country they like, it's as if they are on taped infinite loop...anything is better than Obama...anything is better than Obama....anything is better than Obama How will Romney cut taxes, increase defense spending, eliminate the deficit, strengthen Medicare and Medicaid and decrease the national debt? Anything is better than Obama! How is Romney going to tackle Iran? Anything is better than Obama! How is Romney going to be different than Bush? Anything is better than Obama! lalalalalalalalala...Anything is better than Obama!



Men who lack conscience will even lie to themselves...fortunately for all of us Romney isn't going to be our next president.

On second thought, let's just look at one clean chart from the Wall Street Journal. A trustworthy right leaning source.

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/)Yes, let's look and compare Bush to Obama.

Bush, created 3M jobs. Obama lost 1.37 million jobs.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/403314_10150530091797271_398883760_n.jpg

This is so true...lol

Yes, let's look and compare Bush to Obama.

Bush, created 3M jobs. Obama lost 1.37 million jobs.

This chart uses the same formula I used to to cite private sector growth under Obama, 4.5 million jobs. In fact, if we're calculating net job growth, Bush may have ended his presidency slightly under water.

It's an indisputable fact that George W. Bush had the worse jobs creation record of any modern president. It's also a fact we were bleeding 750K jobs a month before Obama was sworn in and passed the stimulus. Mitt Romney wants to essentially go back and double down on his failed policies.

Look, we can play this game of statistics all day. President Obama will get reelected and the economy will continue it's trajectory of recovery -- with or without Republicans. Things are headed in the right direction.

Again, you repeat the blatant lie that Obama raised taxes and you know full well that he's cut them; at least 18 times. Between extending the Bush tax cuts and the stimulus (36% tax cuts), you're talking massive cuts across the board. But oh no...he's distributing the wealth. Socialism!! Get outta here. It's a lie.Please don't deny Obama's philosophy is "spread the wealth around", those are his own words. The only reason taxes haven't skyrocketed under Obama is the GOP House wins in 2010.

- 21 tax hikes in ObamaCare hitting taxpayers with over $ 675B.

- and Obama and the Dems are smart, most tax increases go into effect after 2012. Taxes | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan (http://paulryan.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=12228)

- another good read for those who are concerned about what happens in 2013 and beyond....based on Obama's own budget and CBO estimates.

President Obama: The Biggest Government Spender In World History - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/06/14/president-obama-the-biggest-government-spender-in-world-history/3/)

Please don't deny Obama's philosophy is "spread the wealth around", those are his own words. The only reason taxes haven't skyrocketed under Obama is the GOP House wins in 2010.

- 21 tax hikes in ObamaCare hitting taxpayers with over $ 675B.

- and Obama and the Dems are smart, most tax increases go into effect after 2012. Taxes | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan (http://paulryan.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=12228)

- another good read for those who are concerned about what happens in 2013 and beyond....based on Obama's own budget and CBO estimates.

President Obama: The Biggest Government Spender In World History - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/06/14/president-obama-the-biggest-government-spender-in-world-history/3/)

SS3, if that's his philosophy as you say, what policies has he enacted that support that?

Healthcare reform is spreading the wealth around?

This chart uses the same formula I used to to cite private sector growth under Obama, 4.5 million jobs. In fact, if we're calculating net job growth, Bush may have ended his presidency slightly under water.

It's an indisputable fact that George W. Bush had the worse jobs creation record of any modern president. You are factually incorrect. The chart is quite simple, Jobs at End of Term vs. Jobs at Start of Term. Bush added 3M. Using the same formula, currently Obama has lost 1.37M.


This is the methodology you have been citing on the 4.5M job added - By going back 27 months, Obama starts counting at the low point of employment for the private sector in February 2010 and tracks how far it has come. But counting farther back, since the end of the recession in June 2009, private-sector job gains have been much more modest, 3.1 million. That's a more meaningful measurement to economists.
Overall, the economy has lost 1.37 million jobs — 784,000 in the private sector — since Obama was inaugurated.
Read more: FACT CHECK: Where Obama, Romney missed mark | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/15/fact-check-where-obama-romney-missed-mark/#ixzz22tGvxTyK)

SS3, if that's his philosophy as you say, what policies has he enacted that support that?

Healthcare reform is spreading the wealth around?When you have the Fed implementing billions (will be over $ 1T) in taxes to cover a program that only benefits a small percentage of Americans, that is "speading the wealth around".

Here are a few of his policies:
- Consider the case of Americans who built up value in a home their entire lives and never made more than a modest annual income. They will be “rich” according to Obama in the one year they sell that home – and subject to a hefty tax hike with the new health care surtax on capital gains taking the tax above the exempt amount from 15 percent now to 23.8 percent next year.

- That hefty increase in capital gains and the even bigger, near tripling of the dividend tax from 15 percent to 43.3 will trigger a massive stock market sell-off that will wallop the retirement accounts of people of all income levels. Economist Don Luskin has estimated that allowing these provisions to expire as Obama today proposed will cause a 30 percent collapse in the stock market – bad news for every American hoping to retire or already living out of a retirement account.

- Bloomberg News recently reported: “President Barack Obama’s plan to raise tax rates for the top 2 percent of U.S. households would mean higher taxes on 53 percent of business income reported on individual returns, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.”
Such a huge tax hike on small businesses – who comprise the overwhelmingly majority of upper-income individual tax filers – will negatively impact not just business owners but every worker on the margin of being hired or laid off.

- Obama didn’t mention it Monday, but one of the “tax hikes on the rich” he has favored, and presumably would include in his plan, is to allowing the death tax to jump from its current 35 percent rate above $5 million to a confiscatory 55 percent rate on everything above $1 million -- this will put a lot of family businesses and farms out of business.


All that being said, you're OK with the Fed expanding by taking more money from individuals/private sector and putting it under gov't control? You've got WAAAYYYY more faith in the Fed (no matter who sits in the WH) than I do, or historical fact shows is prudent.

Was just listening to Mitt Romney streaming on C*SPAN.

He said I'll repeal Obamacare, then literally five seconds later said he'll reform healthcare because "he knows a little a bit about fixing healthcare". ???? I bet the hypocrisy went completely over the audiences heads.

You losing $100 is a forgone conclusion, in fact, I am so confident that I am willing to bet in 12thMan's place and put another 100 in the pot.

Brown isn't winning MA and neither is McCaskill in MO. Nelson is an old dog with cat like lives, Tester is done for and Allen Macaca isn't going to win VA... ultimately Dems need 3 seats to maintain control which really doesn't mean much these days as Republicans have indiscriminately utilized the filibuster to instituting gridlock the last 3.5 years.

Bottom line, your money is going to get spent with or without a Federal Budget and you need to get these stupid Republican talking points out of your head and assume the fetal position or just grab your ankles, it will all go a lot smoother that way.If 12th wants to step up, he needs to put his own skin-in-the-game. If you're up for doubling down, I'm good for $ 200 total. I'll await your response.

As far as fetal positions and such, that will never happen, but I'll keep your comments in mind on Nov. 7th...after Romney has won.