2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)


Giantone
08-06-2012, 08:04 PM
This is what Mittins brings to the table......



Romney Economics: Bankruptcy and Bailouts at GST Steel - YouTube

NC_Skins
08-06-2012, 09:29 PM
Buddy Roemer was never given a chance to even debate. Gary Johnson was allowed to attend one debate. They were not crazy enough to be selected for the Republican Party sideshow that went on this year.

It seems Gary Johnson is now on the Libertarian Party ticket, and if he could poll above 15% he can attend the debates. He will move the discussion away from the BS talking points, and I for one would love to see that.



Smart man.

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Listen to this Fox News guy trying to spew vile and drum up fear.(in regards to Iran)

Giantone
08-07-2012, 05:21 AM
I'd much rather him pander than have three billionaires (Shelly Adelson, Foster Friess, Koch brothers) bankroll his campaign and dictate policy.

If a guy cuts a $10 million check to your campaign, the next logical question is what does he want in return.



A Firefighter, a Postal Worker, a Veteran, and an Educator Have Dinner with Barack - YouTube

Slingin Sammy 33
08-07-2012, 07:48 AM
Also, Bush submitted the 2009 budget in 2008. What was obama suppose to do? Not sign it and start from scratch? LOL...signing the budget is a formality.Obama had Congress in 2009, he didn't need to start from scratch just make positive changes. Actually most of the delay in signing FY2009 was due to the Dems in Congress gambling Obama would win and they could get increases Bush wouldn't sign.

Giantone
08-07-2012, 09:17 AM
...another Romney success.


Romney Economics: Job Loss and Bankruptcy at Ampad - YouTube

12thMan
08-07-2012, 12:10 PM
I think your mean a million dollars. Sadly i wonder how long it is until we see a campaign that costs a billion? This year or 2016?

I thought this was kind of funny. We all remember Obama hooking his biggest bundlers up with jobs:

Report: Nearly 80% of Obama’s Top Bundlers Given “Key Administration Posts” - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/06/report-nearly-80-of-obamas-top-bundlers-given-key-administration-posts/)


Well by doing so it has complicated, and probably limited, the amount of money he can raise this go around. They cant campaign for him the way they did now that theyre part of the administration.

What Obama's Richest Donors Tell Us About His Campaign - Politics - The Atlantic Wire (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/07/what-obamas-richest-donors-tell-us-about-his-campaign/40057/)

Thanks for the catch.

Don't quote me, but I think combined we've surpassed a billion dollars in campaign spending. Pretty much disqualifies me from every running for POTUS.

12thMan
08-07-2012, 12:32 PM
Bush and Congress left FY2009 (except DoD & DHS) under CR until after the election. Obama signed the FY2009 spending bills in March 2009. The Obama Administration and Dems in Congress had complete control until after the mid-terms, they've neglected to do anything about the fundamental problems in the budget.

This falls squarely on Obama, if he was serious about what's best for the country and not being an idealogue, he had the bully-pulpit, could've driven true "change" in DC, and gone down as one of the greatest POTUS. Instead he chose to govern from the far left and that hasn't worked out so well.

I'm not a Clinton fan, but the guy was a master politican and knew there were times to track to the center for the good of the country (or his party's re-election chances, either way it worked out).

Here's some details from WaPo: Is Obama responsible for a $5 trillion increase in the debt? - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/is-obama-responsible-for-a-5-trillion-increase-in-the-debt/2012/05/15/gIQACA0QSU_blog.html)

Key takeaways from the link and a sublink:
- While its true that revenue has decreased by a small amount, spending has soared and its the role of a president to set a budget that ensures that spending stays in line with available revenue, Fehrnstrom said. President Obama has both increased non-defense discretionary spending and failed to propose any serious reforms to entitlement spending. He noted that non-defense discretionary spending annually appropriated by Congress has increased significantly under Obama.

- The nation has a revenue problem and a spending problem or else there would not be a deficit.

Just a couple other quick hits:
Why did Obama ignore his own Debt Commission?
WARREN BUFFETT: Well it you go back to what, you know, Kemp-Roth and all that that too that they were working on that. I think what happened with Simpson-Bowles was an absolute tragedy. I mean here are two extremely high-grade people. They have somewhat different ideas about government but theyre smart. Theyre decent. Theyve got good senses of humor, too. Theyre good at working with people.
They work like a devil for ten months or something like that. They compromise. They bring in people as far apart as Durbin and Coburn to get them to sign on and then theyre totally ignored. I think thats a travesty. (CNBCs Squawk Box, 11/12/11)

Thoughts from Mark Warner: Senator Mark Warner talks debt reduction and Rep. Ryan plan CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs (http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/10/senator-warner-talks-debt-reduction-and-rep-ryan-plan/)

So Obama extends Bush tax cuts and he's governing from the far left? Congress (upheld by the Supreme Court) passed healthcare reform designed by a Republican and he's governing from the far left? Obama's done more for returning troops by way of mental healthcare, increasing veterans benefits, and addressing homelessness among our veterans and he's an ideologue? We've seen a dramatic decrease in the federal workers, while adding nearly 5 million private sector jobs and he's governing from the left?

C'mon, man. Sometimes...

firstdown
08-07-2012, 12:38 PM
He has added 5 million jobs? So how is unemployment at 8.4%. I think you left off the 8 million he has lost. This chart deos not even include the number of new federal employees its going to need to inforce Obama Care.

This chart shows something a little different.

http://www.foundry.org/wp-content/uploads/fed-job-gains.jpg

12thMan
08-07-2012, 01:22 PM
Yep, the exact number is closer 4.6 million. Come November the number should, hopefully, be at 5 million. 29 consecutive months we've had private sector jobs. #fact

I like how you cite Heritage Foundation as your source about Obamacare. Cute.

NC_Skins
08-07-2012, 01:59 PM
One Clue To Romney's Veep Pick: Whose Wiki Page Is Getting The Most Edits? : The Two-Way : NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/07/158320294/one-clue-to-romneys-veep-pick-whose-wiki-page-is-getting-the-most-edits?ft=1&f=1014&sc=tw)

Interesting.

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