2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

Holy shit. Stop the presses and alert Rupert Murdoch. Somebody has gone rogue at Fox News.


Obama's right, Americans can't succeed without government | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/17/obama-right-americans-cant-succeed-without-government/?intcmp=obinsite)


A lot has been made over comments made by the president last Friday to this effect. In many cases, President Obama was deliberately quoted out of context. Here is what the president actually said:



It’s not either/or. The president was clear: We succeed because of our individual initiative but also because of the public investments that help springboard that success. Don’t believe me? Then go start a business in Pakistan or Russia. American entrepreneurs succeed in part because they’re in America. And in America, we don’t get ours and then yank away the ladder of opportunity for the next generation.

We can slash Medicare and Social Security and public schools and college grants and all of the stepping stones that poor and middle class families have historically relied on to help climb the ladder of prosperity. Or millionaires and billionaires can pay the same tax rate as the middle class.




Well, that happy feel good moment didn't last long.


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You said he's been talking about plenty of issues. I asked "Like what?".

Claiming to have to dig through campaign footage to find Obama actually talking about issues, and seeing how Obama's going almost totally negative campaigning on TV ads, speaks for itself. Doesn't it?

Dude, I'm not your personal Obama surrogate. Take your ass on the internet and find out. Go to whitehouse.gov. Nearly every fcuking day he's talking to voters at events and townhall meetings.

You know at first i was going to call Dan Pffeifer a complete idiot but im thinking its not really his fault. No one knows whats going on in this administration. Its got to be painful working working there, regardless of how strongly you feel about Admin's ideology. For God's sake the second cabinet meeting of the year was just held. Wtf does Obama do all day?

Obama Holds First Cabinet Meeting Since January | The Weekly Standard (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-holds-first-cabinet-meeting-january_648993.html)

And come on 12th. I appreciate your summary of what happened but thats not at all what im saying. Do you not find it odd at all the way the the British Embassy phrased the return of the statue? I mean this is such a non-issue in retrospect. So why did the Obama admin or the Brits never clarify. I mean regardless if you think it was an issue or not we all thought it happened. Even Pffeifer, bless his sole, had no idea what was going on.

I can't believe I'm still discussing this retarded issue, which says a lot about me actually.

In terms of Cabinet meetings. Really? The president is in meetings everyday. But if you're really concerned, just like I told HG28, go to whitehouse.gov and POTUS' sked is posted daily. Daily. Yes, it's public information.

The mix-up was in the initial reporting by the British newspaper, not the White House. Had they clarified from the jump that there were two busts instead of one, this conversation wouldn't exist. It's really that simple to me. Why should the executive branch of our government, with all the pressing issues, keep tabs and report to the general public and media the location of Winston Churchill's bust. Do realize how absurd that sounds?

Dude, I'm not your personal Obama surrogate. Take your ass on the internet and find out. Go to whitehouse.gov. Nearly every fcuking day he's talking to voters events and townhall meetings.You want me to do your research for you? What "issues" were you talking about before? "Someone else built it for you."? The evil Republicans?

At least Romney talks about something right or wrong. Repealing Obamacare, cutting taxes, cutting spending, privatizing Amtrak.

Not that they both aren't idiots. Just saying.

I think Pfeiffer's intent was to needle Krauthammer a bit, that's it.

What President Obama's doing in the White House every day.

President's Schedule - July 22 to July 28, 2012 | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-W30)

You want me to do your research for you? What "issues" were you talking about before? "Someone else built it for you."? The evil Republicans?

At least Romney talks about something right or wrong. Repealing Obamacare, cutting taxes, cutting spending, privatizing Amtrak.

Not that they both aren't idiots. Just saying.

Haha...I see you even got the mis-quoted quote wrong. So funny.
Obamcare is here to stay, pal. All three branches of government said it's the law of the land.
Taxes are at an all-time low. But keep convincing yourself we can keep the economy stable and growing without raising revenue. You go right ahead.

Romney hasn't been specific about much of anything. He's being vague and general right now, as he should. But time is running out.

Haha...I see you even got the mis-quoted quote wrong. So funny.
Obamcare is here to stay, pal. All three branches of government said it's the law of the land.
Taxes are at an all-time low. But keep convincing yourself we can keep the economy stable and growing without raising revenue. You go right ahead.

Romney hasn't been specific about much of anything. He's being vague and general right now, as he should. But time is running out.Ooops, I did misquote it. Correction: "If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen." - Obama.

How is that's substantially different than what I said before?

Obamacare exists as taxes. I hope we replace it with something better than Obamacare or Romneycare.

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/obamacare-taxes.jpg

Taxes are not at an all-time low. Here they are per capita, in $2005 dollars.

Government Taxes and Revenue Chart: United States 1950-2015 - Federal State Local Data (http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1950_2015USd_13s1li011mcn_10t)

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/usgs_line.php?title=Income%20Taxes&units=d&size=m&year=1950_2015&sname=US&bar=0&stack=1&col=c&legend=&source=a_i_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a _a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_i_a_a_a_a_a_a_a _a_a_a_a_i_a_i_a_a_a_a_a_a_e_e_g_g_g_g&spending0=1246_1545_2039_2057_1989_1778_1931_1970_ 1833_1764_1975_1938_2009_2061_2106_2111_2331_2505_ 2457_2933_2787_2446_2649_2758_2812_2653_2661_3031_ 3180_3391_3366_3413_3227_2946_3109_3319_3359_3721_ 3716_3929_3840_3705_3668_3848_4027_4249_4525_4852_ 5228_5338_5835_5444_4663_4230_4398_5046_5588_5899_ 5471_4080_4064_4564_4891_5673_6120_6413

I can't believe I'm still discussing this retarded issue, which says a lot about me actually.

In terms of Cabinet meetings. Really? The president is in meetings everyday. But if you're really concerned, just like I told HG28, go to whitehouse.gov and POTUS' sked is posted daily. Daily. Yes, it's public information.

The mix-up was in the initial reporting by the British newspaper, not the White House. Had they clarified from the jump that there were two busts instead of one, this conversation wouldn't exist. It's really that simple to me. Why should the executive branch of our government, with all the pressing issues, keep tabs and report to the general public and media the location of Winston Churchill's bust. Do realize how absurd that sounds?

Dude, take it easy maaaaan. It's like this bro, if the information is not available on the websites I frequent it does not exist. Information must be observed to exist...honestly, it is your responsibility to disapprove anything we say not the other way around.


As for the Churchill bust, you can never have too many of his busts in the White House. It's disappointing that we only have one of his busts when we could have had two.

Haha...I see you even got the mis-quoted quote wrong. So funny.
Obamcare is here to stay, pal. All three branches of government said it's the law of the land.
Taxes are at an all-time low. But keep convincing yourself we can keep the economy stable and growing without raising revenue. You go right ahead.

Romney hasn't been specific about much of anything. He's being vague and general right now, as he should. But time is running out.

With the left its all ways about increasing spending to fix things and it never works. Obama tried to fix everyting by spend a trillion dollars and it didn't do shit. Maybe if he gave the American people the money to spend it themself on things they need it would have done alot more.