One Last Luck vs RGIII Thread

There are fans of the 'what if' that will never agree with the price we paid to move up for RGIII because he represents 3 players who won't be Redskins (#2 this year, 1sts in '13 and '14) and regardless of what he becomes, those phantoms will be more valuable.

If Griffin develops into a star and the face this franchise has so desperately needed, I think that in most circles the price will be considered well worth it. On the field, it speaks to how poor we have been at that position, but his bar for measured success is relatively low. If over the next 2 years he has us in the playoffs and even winning a playoff game (or two) he will be considered a savior by some. If he brings excitement and explosiveness to the offense, he will be considered a star. His personality and marketability is already star level.

Ultimately, wins and losses will be the deciding factor. Slight homerism, but I think that over the span of their first contract, RGIII will have a better early career than Luck simply because Indy is completely terrible. They have nothing on their roster and are starting over. There's a decent chance that the Colts will be picking in the top 3 again next year.

We have somewhat of a framework that we are plugging RGIII into. Our defense is borderline playoff quality, our OL is average with potential to be good (and his mobility will make them better), our skill position players have potential to be good as well. If Griffin goes for 2800+ yds, 16 TD-10 INT plus 400 yds, 5 TD on the ground he's going to be the Rookie of the Year and have us in playoff contention.

couldnt agree more! we won 5 games with grossman at the helms and lost 6 games by 8 points or less, put robert under center and no we dont win all of those games but i think we wouldve won some. i think we have a chance to make alot of noise this year, but we will see.

Tomato, Tomato.

It is, but it isn't.


It actually took 3 first and a 2nd to get that 1st, which was 2 spots ahead.


This reminds me of when the whole CBA thing was going on. The owners liked to say they were getting 60/40 split of the profits, but what they were doing is leaving off the 1 billion off the top so they can show the public how they were being neglected. The NLFPA side of it was that it was basically a 50/50 split (give or take a few percentages) once you add the 1 billion into the equation.

I think this all boils down to how you view the transaction.4

It was 4 spots ahead.. and in a few years we will know

The Redskins have gone since 1985 without a true franchise QB. It was completely necessary for the Redskins front office to pay whatever price it took in order to get a franchise quarterback. We could have had one in the 2005 draft, but Joe Gibbs thought so much of Jason Campbell that he overlooked Aaron Rodgers. If the Redskins can get a strong and athletic RT in the draft to go along with T. Williams, K. Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, and Chester, then the offensive line could flourish into being one of the best in the NFL. Speaking of Griffin III staying healthy, I hope he gains another 15 pounds or so before training camp starts. He's going to get hit a lot by a lot of 245-260 pound linebackers. Griffin III is a slender 223 pounds now so lets hope that he can withstand the hits that an NFL QB takes.

We didn't overlook Rodgers

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It was 4 spots ahead.. and in a few years we will know

Opps. Thanks for the correction.

We didn't overlook Rodgers

We actually did, picking Carlos Rogers at #9 instead of Aaron Rodgers. One of many, many poor decisions during the Gibbs 2.0 era. We had already stupidly traded a couple of days early based on projections and our desire to get Campbell. By the time Rodgers fell, we had already made our bed.

Who's to say Rodgers would have ended up where he is now had he been drafted by us

Do you feel a draft in here?

23 teams passed on Rodgers, a lot of teams are kicking themselves over that.

23 teams passed on Rodgers, a lot of teams are kicking themselves over that.

Exactly. Noone knows how a player will turn out. You have to draft based on skill set, personality, and not a whole hell of alot more. Its implementing that QB and creating the environment for him to thrive in which is the hardest part. Noone knows the finality of drafting a certain player, even 5 years after the draft pick, because different teams, different circumstances and different systems and coaches each affect different players in different ways, a la Ryan Leaf could have thrived if say he was drafted by the Dolphins instead of the Chargers, and if Manning was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons instead of the Colts, he could have been a bust. In short, you could say that its mainly the organization and the coaches that make or break a player, in one sense.

That being said, I feel comfortable handing RG3 over to this group of coaches. If Kyle can do what he did in Houston with Schaub, then he should be able to at least replicate it with a specimen such as RG3 in theory. Hopefully, Hankerson and Garcon will become top notch players at their positions in order to help that progress.

Who's to say Rodgers would have ended up where he is now had he been drafted by us

Word. I think Rodgers has said learning from Favre was valuable. But ultimately he was going to be great no matter what, and I think dropping in the draft served as extra motivation no doubt.