One Last Luck vs RGIII Thread

LMAO.



A sign of things to come? lol.

Thought the same thing! I'm not superstitious but it still looks like a bad omen hehehe...

RG3 compared himself to a cowboy great, Roger Staubach.


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I was one of the few that was 100% against the trade and still am. I think after the draft, and once all the hype is settled, he'll get is head in the playbook and start grinding. We're not going to know if this trade was a mistake until a few years down the line.

I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

Gotta trust Shan-Allen!

I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.I'm trying to follow your analogy but I think it makes it more complicated.
Luck is not the 1st QB to come from a 'pro-style' offense and even that label 'pro-style' is a misconception because more and more NFL offense are using spread concepts as part of their base packages.
Some teams are in shotgun between 50-60% of their offensive plays (not just pass plays but total offensive plays).
Also, Luck comes from a particular style of offenses the WCO and IIRC Bruce Arians comes from the digit system not the WCO so the core concepts and verbiage will be different.

Imo coachability and football intellect are far more important then being 'pro-ready' because regardless of how pro-ready a prospect maybe (unless they go into the exact same offense) they are still gonna have to learn a new offense and learn the NFL defenses both learning curves are steep departure from college.

tldr:
being pro-ready is a very short lived advantage that may not last past training camp

I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

Gotta trust Shan-Allen!

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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The way RGIII handles the media reminds me of how Jason C did. He doesn't seem to have the chip on his shoulder that young Mike Vick had. He is in the spot light, and he's worked hard to get there. I have no issues with him doing it, as long as his play on the field isn't affected. If I had the money and attention he's getting, I would make Charlie Sheen look like Tim Tebow.

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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Ooooooh! Let me count again! This years, next years, and the one the year after! You're right! :goodjob:

I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.

I still think RG3 will have the better year as he is surrounded by a better team and the AFC South defenses Luck will be facing in division (Titans, Texans, and Jaguars) all ranked in the top 10 last year and that was after adjusting for strength of schedule. NFC East offenses weren't to bad but at the same time they're not great either.

I really think though that Luck vs Griffin is going to be the NFL's version of Bird vs Magin and Gretzky vs Lemieux.

I loved everything you said until you compared them to other sports with players that are actually on the field/court at the same time. Quarterbacks dont have rivalries with one another. Offensive Tackles/Defensive Ends, and Wideouts/Cornerbacks do.

Ooooooh! Let me count again! This years, next years, and the one the year after! You're right! :goodjob:

One pick was a swap. Different than giving away or trading.

gross: we gave up 3 #1 picks
net: we gave up 2 #1 picks

can we agree on this?