skinsfaninok
04-19-2012, 08:48 PM
Fck Michael Irvin.
Barry sanders?
Isn't Barry in?
Barry sanders?
Isn't Barry in?
Make your Case for non-HOFerskinsfaninok 04-19-2012, 08:48 PM Fck Michael Irvin. Barry sanders? Isn't Barry in? skinster 04-19-2012, 09:09 PM Donovan McNabb inspired this thread. He might be wrong about him being deserving of being in the HOF, but his comment about how aikman and kelly weren't statistically great made me check it out. He's def right about that. How aikman made one, much less 6 pro bowls is a joke to me. In Aikman's "pro bowl" years, his touchdown passes per season were 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, and 21(his career high)...and its not like he wasn't throwing picks as he had a 8:7 td to int ratio over course of his career. Lavaar didn't end his career...his 7:14 int to td ratio his final season did. Does the fact that he was a qb of 3 superbowl teams make him eligible for the hall of fame? Maybe, but its debatable. I'd probably vote him in, but not compare him to any other qb trying to make it in that hasn't won 3 superbowls. Aikman didn't make it in the HOF cause of his numbers, and Marino didn't make him in because of his wins. For Donovan is right in saying he was better than Aikman, but to he has to realize that Aikman didn't make it in because he was good; he made it in because of his circumstances, and its just unfair for Donovan to compare himself to him. And his numbers aren't even in the same league as Marino's. Donovan might not being snubbed, but being on a good team does inflate players statuses too much, and I'm sure there are tons of undeserving players in the HOF, while there are tons of deserving players not in there. skinster 04-19-2012, 09:20 PM Brian Mitchell.. All purpose yards leader for a long time (maybe still).. Record holder for return touchdowns.. 2 time SB champion.. You could make a case for him (but Jerry rice broke his record one season after he got it, and devin hester has more punt return tds and more kick return tds). I'd say no to him though as being a good return man isn't that relevant. You think if Chris Johnson returned kicks for a living he'd be pretty good at it? I do. But he doesn't because his talents are more useful elsewhere and the its not important enough for him to do as the wear and tear he would get isn't worth the improved results he would produce. I really hate how coaches always say how special teams is important. Really? Then put your star players on special teams. Its really only important not to be terrible at it is what they should say. imaskin4life 04-19-2012, 10:28 PM I'll probably get bashed for this. I say Sean Taylor, if it had not been for his tragic death, who knows how far he would have gone.. Some say other players should get it but they retired too early, that was their choice. Sean did't have a choice. Speed, hands, size, hitter, ballhawk: GOAT. period. MTK 04-19-2012, 10:53 PM You could make a case for him (but Jerry rice broke his record one season after he got it, and devin hester has more punt return tds and more kick return tds). I'd say no to him though as being a good return man isn't that relevant. You think if Chris Johnson returned kicks for a living he'd be pretty good at it? I do. But he doesn't because his talents are more useful elsewhere and the its not important enough for him to do as the wear and tear he would get isn't worth the improved results he would produce. I really hate how coaches always say how special teams is important. Really? Then put your star players on special teams. Its really only important not to be terrible at it is what they should say. Plenty of "stars" play on special teams. Deion was one of the best return men. Darrell Green retuned punts in big situations. Percy Harvin, Desean Jackson, Dez Bryant, all play teams to name a few. REDSKINS4ever 04-19-2012, 11:09 PM I am saying this without bothering to double check what I have been told - so someone is welcome to correct me. Aren't Gary Clark's numbers better in every significant category than Michael Irvin? Here are Clark's career statistics: Receptions 699/ Yards 10856/ Yards per catch 15.5/ TDs 65/ Lg 84 yards It would appear that these are indeed Hall Of Fame numbers by Gary Clark. But the 699 career receptions appears to be Clark's only limitation. Michael Irvin had 750 career receptions(just 51 more than Clark) with 1,000 yards or so more yards and he and Clark are both tied with 65 TD catches. Irvin is in the HOF. Irvin's career numbers are truthfully no better than Clark's. Gary Clark is due enshrinement. skinster 04-19-2012, 11:12 PM Plenty of "stars" play on special teams. Deion was one of the best return men. Darrell Green retuned punts in big situations. Percy Harvin, Desean Jackson, Dez Bryant, all play teams to name a few. None of those guys regularly do it. This last year- Percy had 16, Desean had 17, and Dez had 18. Deion is the closest, but was taken off return duty after his first pro bowl year. MTK 04-19-2012, 11:23 PM None of those guys regularly do it. This last year- Percy had 16, Desean had 17, and Dez had 18. Deion is the closest, but was taken off return duty after his first pro bowl year. All you said was if it's so important, put your star players out there, which teams do when the situation warrants it. Special teams are important. Just ask any team that misses a FG in the playoffs or SB, or gives up a return for a score. skinster 04-19-2012, 11:33 PM All you said was if it's so important, put your star players out there, which teams do when the situation warrants it. Special teams are important. Just ask any team that misses a FG in the playoffs or SB, or gives up a return for a score. Yeah, in important situations they go out there. If it was really important, every return would have the best players out there. Just because it can make a difference doesn't mean its important. Unless your team has horrible special teams, the difference from any teams special team's impact on the season to anothers is so minimal its almost negligible. They can swing a close game, but how often that happens is so rare and varied that in the long run it all cancels out. Leader In Sports 04-19-2012, 11:45 PM I will put a disclaimer on this because of my relationship with him, but how is Maxie Baughan not in the HOF: Maxie Baughan NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BaugMa00.htm) 9 Time Pro Bowl Linebacker who also won a championship with the Eagles in 1960. If you take out the year he came to the Skins as a player coach after retiring for a couple of years, he only missed the Pro Bowl his third year and final year. |
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