2012 Redskins Free Agency (and Trades) Tracker (Chapter III)

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los panda
05-16-2012, 08:34 PM
Where do you get that from? That's why there was a huge debate about if OJ was going to wear the #21.who was debating? i just get it from the fact that no one else has worn that number since sean took it in 2005. it's a popular number, when is the last time no one on the team wore it? it wasn't this millennium, all signs point to unofficially retired

NC_Skins
05-16-2012, 08:39 PM
who was debating? i just get it from the fact that no one else has worn that number since sean took it in 2005. it's a popular number, when is the last time no one on the team wore it? it wasn't this millennium, all signs point to unofficially retired

I think the only reason nobody has wore it is because they don't want to offend the fan's memory of #21.

O.J. Atogwe switches to No. 20 out of respect for Sean Taylor - The Insider - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/oj-atogwe-switches-to-no-20-out-of-respect-for-sean-taylor/2011/07/29/gIQAUmGLhI_blog.html)

OJ was within his right to wear the #21 if he wanted, and probably could have. I don't think it's unofficially retired like the other numbers, and quite frankly doesn't deserve to be unofficially retired either. That's just my personal opinion on the matter even though many may disagree.

los panda
05-16-2012, 08:44 PM
I think the only reason nobody has wore it because they don't want to offend the fan's memory of #21.

O.J. Atogwe switches to No. 20 out of respect for Sean Taylor - The Insider - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/oj-atogwe-switches-to-no-20-out-of-respect-for-sean-taylor/2011/07/29/gIQAUmGLhI_blog.html)

OJ was within his right to wear the #21 if he wanted, and probably could have. I don't think it's unofficially retired like the other numbers, and quite frankly doesn't deserve to be unofficially retired either. That's just my personal opinion on the matter even though many may disagree."Safety O.J. Atogwe had worn No. 21 his entire life, he said. But joining the Redskins and hitting the practice field for the first time with his new teammates Friday, he knew wearing No. 21 wasn’t an option"

that's what unofficially retired means to me, i don't know what it means to you

NC_Skins
05-16-2012, 08:49 PM
"Safety O.J. Atogwe had worn No. 21 his entire life, he said. But joining the Redskins and hitting the practice field for the first time with his new teammates Friday, he knew wearing No. 21 wasn’t an option"

that's what unofficially retired means to me, i don't know what it means to you

You are reading way too much into that. He's not saying that because of it being unofficially retired, he's saying that because he knows what type of memory and weight Sean Taylor still carries with the fans.

He did it out of respect.

The Redskins Blog | OJ Atogwe Plays The Guessing Game (http://blog.redskins.com/2011/07/28/oj-atogwe-plays-the-guessing-game/)

he made it clear via his Twitter that he would honor Taylor’s memory and switch to a different number:

los panda
05-16-2012, 08:51 PM
You are reading way too much into that. He's not saying that because of it being unofficially retired, he's saying that because he knows what type of memory and weight Sean Taylor still carries with the fans.

He did it out of respect.

The Redskins Blog | OJ Atogwe Plays The Guessing Game (http://blog.redskins.com/2011/07/28/oj-atogwe-plays-the-guessing-game/)i got that part. it's a popular number, when is the last time no one on the team wore it? what does unofficially retiring a # mean to you?

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and who was involved in the "huge debate"?

NC_Skins
05-16-2012, 09:10 PM
i got that part. it's a popular number, when is the last time no one on the team wore it? what does unofficially retiring a # mean to you?


It's not just a popular number, it's the number of a deceased Redskin who fans have put on this grand pedestal, even though it's not warranted. Players who come here from other teams having wore #21 know and understand very soon not to bother wearing it due to the controversy and probably hate they'll receive from fans for doing so. Fans blew up OJ about the number, and I'm quite positive the media made it a point to bring it up with him in interviews. Why would he (or any player) subject themselves to the wrath of fans like that when he could simply avoid that by wearing a different number.

I think you'll have a better shot of some kid grabbing #28 or #44 before you will #21...lol

Who was debating it? The correct question was who wasn't debating it in the DC area.

The Early Lead - Should O.J. Atogwe, or any other Redskins player, wear No. 21? (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2011/03/should_oj_atogwe_or_any_other.html)

Many of the other Redskins media outlets were discussing this as well back when it occurred.

los panda
05-16-2012, 09:21 PM
It's not just a popular number, it's the number of a deceased Redskin who fans have put on this grand pedestal, even though it's not warranted. Players who come here from other teams having wore #21 know and understand very soon not to bother wearing it due to the controversy and probably hate they'll receive from fans for doing so. Fans blew up OJ about the number, and I'm quite positive the media made it a point to bring it up with him in interviews. Why would he (or any player) subject themselves to the wrath of fans like that when he could simply avoid that by wearing a different number.

I think you'll have a better shot of some kid grabbing #28 or #44 before you will #21...lol

Who was debating it? The correct question was who wasn't debating it in the DC area.

The Early Lead - Should O.J. Atogwe, or any other Redskins player, wear No. 21? (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2011/03/should_oj_atogwe_or_any_other.html)

Many of the other Redskins media outlets were discussing this as well back when it occurred.and for the third time, what does unofficially retiring a # mean to you?

so there was no debate within the organization about oj wearing #21?

NC_Skins
05-16-2012, 09:29 PM
and for the third time, what does unofficially retiring a # mean to you?

so there was no debate within the organization about oj wearing #21?

When the team doesn't issue a number out is what I would call "unofficially retiring number", but I think we disagree to why it's not being issued out. You think it's not being issued out because it's a "unofficial retired number." I think the #21 isn't being issued because nobody in their right mind would ask for it.

I couldn't speak about any debate within the organization, but my guess is not really. Only fans make a big deal about such things. Smoot could tell you more than I could on that front. When I said there was a debate, I was referring publicly. (media and fans)

los panda
05-16-2012, 09:30 PM
fred smoot 2001-2004
deion sanders 2000
mark mcmillian 1999
terry allen 1995-1998
deral boykin??? 1994
earnest byner 1993-back into the 80s

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but it hasn't been issued since sean died, smells like unofficially retired to me

los panda
05-16-2012, 09:31 PM
When the team doesn't issue a number out is what I would call "unofficially retiring number"good enough for me

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