A New Look Offense or the Same but Better?

A standard NFL defense should be able to stop the old option play. If the Redskins incorporate this into their offense, they should use it sparingly. Griffin III is a very athletically gifted QB, but most of his runs should be made off schedule during pass plays and not designed for him to just keep the ball and outrun the defense.

A standard NFL defense should be able to stop the old option play.I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about when you say the "old option play" could you be more specific? Or do you mean option concepts as a whole (to include zone-read)?
Because surely, I'm not nor do I think anyone in this thread has suggested running the "old option play".

And when if comes to option concepts the Panthers embarrassed our defense and plenty of other defenses by using different option concepts last year.
Tebow, a QB that doesn't even throw the ball very well, was able to take a 1-4 team and amass a 7-4 record and a playoff win by using option concepts almost exclusively as the basis for their offense.
But, any play or concept can be "stopped" but not without leaving the defense vulnerable somewhere else e.g. if a defense commits to stopping the the zone-read QB keep and the zone-read RB keep then they leave themselves vulenrable against playaction passing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbqxh7GGJ1I&feature=related

Option concepts are sound football concepts tried and true over a long period of time.
Its not a gimmick play, at its core option concepts that include the QB as a run threat create a numerical advantage over the defense.
The question is how much contact is a team willing to expose they're QB to and how much contact can the QB handle and how smart is the QB about protecting themself?


If the Redskins incorporate this into their offense, they should use it sparingly. Griffin III is a very athletically gifted QB, but most of his runs should be made off schedule during pass playsIf most of Griff's run come off schedule then imo an entire facet of the offense that his unique skillset provides will be ignored.

and not designed for him to just keep the ball and outrun the defenseI think this is a very generic and overly simplistic approach/opinion of how Griffin's running ability would be used as a threat to the defense.

We do? Has this been confirmed somewhere?

Nothing has been confirmed. If they used Brandon Banks in the wildcat in 2010, why wouldn't they use Griffin in the wildcat now? Didn't Mike Shanahan or Kyle Shanahan say that they were incorporating plays for Griffin?

Nothing has been confirmed. If they used Brandon Banks in the wildcat in 2010, why wouldn't they use Griffin in the wildcat now? Didn't Mike Shanahan or Kyle Shanahan say that they were incorporating plays for Griffin?

You CAN'T wildcat Griffin. By definition the wildcat is a formation in which someone other than the normal QB takes the snap.

You can incorporate running plays or run/pass options for Griffin (I hope we are) but that is different from a wildcat.

Nothing has been confirmed. If they used Brandon Banks in the wildcat in 2010, why wouldn't they use Griffin in the wildcat now?

When?


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This IS a wildcat formation.

I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about when you say the "old option play" could you be more specific? Or do you mean option concepts as a whole (to include zone-read)?
Because surely, I'm not nor do I think anyone in this thread has suggested running the "old option play".

And when if comes to option concepts the Panthers embarrassed our defense and plenty of other defenses by using different option concepts last year.
Tebow, a QB that doesn't even throw the ball very well, was able to take a 1-4 team and amass a 7-4 record and a playoff win by using option concepts almost exclusively as the basis for their offense.
But, any play or concept can be "stopped" but not without leaving the defense vulnerable somewhere else e.g. if a defense commits to stopping the the zone-read QB keep and the zone-read RB keep then they leave themselves vulenrable against playaction passing:

Tim Tebow game winning touchdown to Demaryius Thomas Denver Broncos vs Pittsburgh Steelers today - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbqxh7GGJ1I&feature=related)

Option concepts are sound football concepts tried and true over a long period of time.
Its not a gimmick play, at its core option concepts that include the QB as a run threat create a numerical advantage over the defense.
The question is how much contact is a team willing to expose they're QB to and how much contact can the QB handle and how smart is the QB about protecting themself?


If most of Griff's run come off schedule then imo an entire facet of the offense that his unique skillset provides will be ignored.

I think this is a very generic and overly simplistic approach/opinion of how Griffin's running ability would be used as a threat to the defense.

The term 'old option play' was used by old timers such as Pat Summerall and Lou Holtz. The wishbone offense or the option play is one of the oldest plays in the game of football today.

The term 'old option play' was used by old timers such as Pat Summerall and Lou Holtz. The wishbone offense or the option play is one of the oldest plays in the game of football today.I'm asking you what you mean by 'old option play' because there is no singular 'option play'.

The option is a football concept that is applied in various formations and systems.
Those systems are termed "option" because the execution of the play is deteremined by the ballcarrier reading/keying* off a defender giving them the option* to either keep the ball or give the ball to another possible ball carrier. Usually the read/keyed defender is unblocked by design to give the offense a numerical advantage in blocking elsewhere.
*(hence the term: read option )

Also, the wishbone is another formation/system that can be option but doesn't have to be, their are plenty of teams that use wishbone formation and don't option.

So, I ask again, what are you refering to when you say option?
I've been quite specific when I refer to option throughout this thread and like I've mentioned already in my previous post evidence on how/why option concepts are not as easily defended as you seem to think.

Lets not speak in platitudes when we can have a real football X's and O's conversation and discuss in specifics.
The aim for most of my threads is to have an honest to goodness football discussion.

You CAN'T wildcat Griffin. By definition the wildcat is a formation in which someone other than the normal QB takes the snap.

You can incorporate running plays or run/pass options for Griffin (I hope we are) but that is different from a wildcat.

lol pretty much ends the conversation right here

We can't possibly be worse with Rex riding the bench, even if we finish the season 2-14.

their are plenty of teams that use wishbone formation and don't option.such as?