offiss
02-07-2005, 04:17 AM
I know we had this thread before the SB but after it I have to say I will put this kid ahead of Montana, he's going to go down as the best of all time, he just understand's how to play QB and read a defense, he is everything Montana was mentaly, throw's the deep ball better, and at 27 has equaled Montana's SB titles, if I can have 1 QB for 1 game he's my guy.
Shane
02-07-2005, 05:35 AM
Tom Brady can read defenses well and he is a cool customer. The latter trait really is important and it lets him be an exceptional team leader. Other traits he has in terms of physical skills are solid but not extraordinary. Brady really brings the mental aspect of the game to a level probably as good as we have seen.
Montana to me had superior physical skills. He was a very accurate passer. You really felt that when the game was on the line, Montana had a magic that no one else had. Montana also was a very cool customer and excellent leader.
Brady has a lot of the things Montana had, but I don't feel like teams are scared to death of Tom Brady by himself. Teams were scared to death of Joe Montana.
Joe Montana won four Super Bowls by the way, so Brady is still one short in that area.
To me Joe Montana was a great legend, while Tom Brady is the consummate team quarterback on a dynasty team with excellent leadership skills. I don't think of Brady as having the kind of package by himself that Montana had.
3 rings in 4 years and he's only played 5 years in the league. For that alone he's in a category all by himself.
FRPLG
02-07-2005, 09:14 AM
I love how Brady plays and I think he is a great QB. I don't begrudge him one thing. McNabb, on the other hand, I think showed last night that he is not the QB that everyone thinks he is. Until this season I had always maintained he was vastly over-rated. But this year he even convinced me he had taken the next step and actually was as good as his press. Last night all his problems that I had harped on in seasons passed shown through. I think Reid deserves a lot of blame for the Gibbs-like clock management at the end of the game but honestly McNabb was the guy huddling for 10 seconds after every play and taking another 15 to get the ball snapped only to throw a 5 yard in or slant. McNabb has some great qualities for a QB. He seems intelligent and can understand the game well. Of course his quickness and agility are advantages but his basic qb skills are just average at best. He has an average arm and below average accuracy and seems to get flustered a little more than a great QB should. His biggest problem seems to be his ego. I don't think he is some egostitical jerk(on the contrary...i think he is a genuine guy who does all the right things of the field) but he seems so intent on being recoginzed as a good pocket passer when the best and most useful part of his game is his ability to move and create time for his receivers and match up problems for defenses. He is a good QB who can do a few great things but he is not a great QB.
Shane
02-07-2005, 09:32 AM
3 rings in 4 years and he's only played 5 years in the league. For that alone he's in a category all by himself.
He deserves a lot of credit, but its a team game. He is surrounded by a great team and organization. I'm not seeing that he is the dominant reason for the Patriots success. Maybe my eyes are failing me, I don't know.
He deserves a lot of credit, but its a team game. He is surrounded by a great team and organization. I'm not seeing that he is the dominant reason for the Patriots success. Maybe my eyes are failing me, I don't know.
The same can be said of Montana, he had an incredible cast around him and one of the best coaches in the history of the game in Walsh. Back then the 49ers were the model NFL franchise as well.
EEich
02-07-2005, 09:44 AM
It will be interesting to see what kind of contract he signs. I hope he's smart enough not to push for a huge Payton Manning contract. He could win three more in New England if he keeps it reasonable and allows the FO to keep talent around him on both sides of the ball. Payton's contract has pretty much guaranteed that he will never win the big one.
saden1
02-07-2005, 10:55 AM
He is a HFer. The guys stands there and takes hits when he needs to. What I like about him the most though is his footwork. He really knows how to step into and out of the pocket just so he can complete the pass.
Daseal
02-07-2005, 01:17 PM
He could win three more in New England if he keeps it reasonable and allows the FO to keep talent around him on both sides
Don't be so sure. When they lose those two coordinators I think people calling Bellichek the best coach since Lombardi, etc will quickly stop.
SmootSmack
02-07-2005, 01:21 PM
Don't be so sure. When they lose those two coordinators I think people calling Bellichek the best coach since Lombardi, etc will quickly stop.
It will be interesting to see how the offense is without Weiss' playcalling next year. But it looks like they're going to keep things in house so it should be a similar philosophy.
speaking of Lombardi...36 years ago today he was named Coach and VP of the Redskins