DynamiteRave
04-02-2012, 10:52 PM
I don't know if this means anything but
George Zimmerman Video Shows Injury to Back of His Head - Yahoo! (http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-video-shows-injury-back-head-161816389--abc-news-topstories.html)
JoeRedskin
04-02-2012, 11:59 PM
Can you say with certainty Zimmerman's didnt follow him repeatedly? We have Trayvon say he lost him, you have Zimmerman say he lost sight of him. Couple that with Zimmerman following him, saying "they always get away" and the fact that Trayvon ended up in a body bag you can make the case for repeated stalking.
If you say so. I would suggest that the activity here is not what was contemplated Without looking into further, I readily admit I may be wrong. At the same time, I don't think you have the "malicious intent" aspect. I know you're convinced Zimmerman was out to hurt Martin - but,perhaps, he was just trying to make sure he knew where he was going. Following someone is not the same as stalking them.
saden1
04-03-2012, 12:27 AM
If you say so. I would suggest that the activity here is not what was contemplated Without looking into further, I readily admit I may be wrong. At the same time, I don't think you have the "malicious intent" aspect. I know you're convinced Zimmerman was out to hurt Martin - but,perhaps, he was just trying to make sure he knew where he was going. Following someone is not the same as stalking them.
I am fairly certain that I would not set bar at the lower threshold of manslaughter if I were convinced Zimmerman was guilty. I am also fairly certain that aggravated stalking can't be taken of the table.
This guy is out there strapped and profiling people he doesn't know.
NC_Skins
04-03-2012, 12:27 AM
Not an assumption.
Trayvon Martin Funeral Director: No Signs Of Fight | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/31/trayvon-martin-funeral-director-no-signs-fight/)
So I'll withhold judgement on Trayvon's bodily injuries or lack thereof until the conclusive autopsy report is made public.
George Zimmerman Video Shows Injury to Back of His Head - Yahoo! (http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-video-shows-injury-back-head-161816389--abc-news-topstories.html)
This is why you can't go on people like the Funeral Director and his assertion there was no scuffle. Remember how people thought the video showed no signs of a altercation? Apparently that wasn't true.
There was no obvious sign of any injury to Zimmerman's head or face on the video until it was enhanced. But the enhanced video does not show any visible injury to Zimmerman's nose, nor any signs of blood on his shirt.
The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and his lawyer later claimed that Zimmeran suffered a broken nose. After receiving medical attention at the scene of the shooting, it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He did not check into the emergency room following the police questioning.
So much evidence out there we don't know about or evidence that conflicts with stories. Looks like we are going to have to wait this one out.
firstdown
04-03-2012, 09:28 AM
Can you say with certainty Zimmerman's didnt follow him repeatedly? We have Trayvon say he lost him, you have Zimmerman say he lost sight of him. Couple that with Zimmerman following him, saying "they always get away" and the fact that Trayvon ended up in a body bag you can make the case for repeated stalking.
Where do we have Trayvon saying anything. I have not heard the tape of him talking.
JoeRedskin
04-03-2012, 09:40 AM
From the girlfriend's statement:
“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”
Trayvon Martin’s girlfriends statement confirms he was murdered at gunpoint « Bazaar Daily News (http://bazaardaily.com/2012/03/23/trayvon-martins-girlfriends-statement-confirms-he-was-murdered-at-gunpoint/)
firstdown
04-03-2012, 10:49 AM
My point was we have to take his GF word that he said that and its not Travons words. The facts here are getting twisted with half truths etc...
RedskinRat
04-03-2012, 11:00 AM
My point was we have to take his GF word that he said that and its not Travons words. The facts here are getting twisted with half truths etc...
Too many agendas and too few facts, coupled with people race-baiting and a piss-poor response from PD.
I'm going to give it another month to see what else shakes loose before I post again.
mooby
04-03-2012, 12:03 PM
Too many agendas and too few facts, coupled with people race-baiting and a piss-poor response from PD.
I'm going to give it another month to see what else shakes loose before I post again.
I'll second that.
JoeRedskin
04-03-2012, 12:43 PM
Speaking of agendas, half-truths, etc.
Here's what NBC News doctored tape had Zimmerman saying:
"This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."
But here's what was really said without the edit:
Zimmerman: "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."
911 operator: "Okay. And this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?"
Zimmerman: "He looks black."
Sarah Palin, doctored Trayvon Martin tape: Shame on NBC News - baltimoresun.com (http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-sarah-palin-trayvon-martin-911-tape-katie-couric-nbc-news-20120402,0,7231989.story)
Regardless of whether or not it changes anyone's perception, why edit it in the first place. The reporting on this matter has been abysmal. <sigh>