Trayvon Martin Case

So now he is an activist?

I think you're just nitpicking here.

^^ Maybe so. At the same time, it's little characterizations such as this that people have been throwing out since the beginning that appeal to feelings as opposed to facts. He's been characterized as a vigilante, a racist, a wannabe-hero. To me, all this is just stuff that gets in the way of analyzing the facts and is based off a lot of conjecture that's more spin than reality.

johnny stabbed and killed the soc in self defense, ponyboy was nearly drowned. but the socs were the aggressors in that scenario

I havent seen the movie since 8th grade english class but diddnt johnny boy stright up murder at least one of socs?

I think you're just nitpicking here.

Mooby, it's all part of the incendiary and mood-setting language that's being used.

Use Occam's Razor, lex parsimoniae, see how the scenario looks when stripped of all the additional BS.

Didnt know this until this morning, Zimmerman has had 2 arrest due to violence. 2005 assulting a police officer and 2007 domestic violence and had a restraining order taken out on him by an x girlfriend. So he has a violent history and a pattern of violence. Is this the type of person you want walking around your neighborhood?

This piece of shit needs to be locked up for a long long time period

Martin, on the other hand, had no criminal history or arrest, but is now being painted as some thug? This ****ing world is losing its mind.

Didnt know this until this morning, Zimmerman has had 2 arrest due to violence. 2005 assulting a police officer and 2007 domestic violence and had a restraining order taken out on him by an x girlfriend. So he has a violent history and a pattern of violence. Is this the type of person you want walking around your neighborhood?

This piece of shit needs to be locked up for a long long time period

Martin, on the other hand, had no criminal history or arrest, but is now being painted as some thug? This ****ing world is losing its mind.

You left out that he also had a restrainorder on his girlfriend taken out on her. He was also not charged with any crime. They also dropped those charges of assulting a cop. This is just an attack on his character to distract from the real facts in the case.

Again, historical attributes are circumstantial at best. Do I want him patrolling my neighborhood? Nope and certainly don't want him doing so armed - hell, I don't want anyone other than the police to be armed as they stroll down my street. Does the past history prove he is guilty of instigating a physical altercation and murdering someone in the instant case? Nope.

As RR said, and as you intimate, strip all the characterizations away from both Zimmerman and Martin. Look at the facts of the incident and nothing else:

Guy A followed Guy B and a conversation took place between them. At some point a physical altercation between Guy A and Guy B took place. Both Guy A and Guy B had a legal right to be where the physical altercation took place. No one witnessed the beginning of the physical altercation and it is unknown who started or what was the immediate cause of the physical altercation. During the physical altercation, Guy A shot Guy B. Guy A had the legal right to carry a gun. Guy A was injured in the altercation and, at one point, Guy B was observed on top of and beating Guy B. When questioned, Guy A asserted self-defense in fear of life and limb and no witnesses exist to dispute Guy A's assertion.

We can speculate endlessly as to the thought processes of either these guys but, as a society, we can (and should) only punish for the actions taken based on credible evidence. From the facts of the incident, I don't even think you have a manslaughter case under the relevant Florida statutes.

Great post, JoeRedskin.

The only issue I have is the assertion that both had a legal reason to be where they were. I still don't understand why Martin was in a gated community that he didn't live in with his drink and snack he would have purchased elsewhere.

And I'm not saying that's cause for gun play or more than a finger wag.

Again, historical attributes are circumstantial at best. Do I want him patrolling my neighborhood? Nope and certainly don't want him doing so armed - hell, I don't want anyone other than the police to be armed as they stroll down my street. Does the past history prove he is guilty of instigating a physical altercation and murdering someone in the instant case? Nope.

As RR said, and as you intimate, strip all the characterizations away from both Zimmerman and Martin. Look at the facts of the incident and nothing else:

Guy A followed Guy B and a conversation took place between them. At some point a physical altercation between Guy A and Guy B took place. Both Guy A and Guy B had a legal right to be where the physical altercation took place. No one witnessed the beginning of the physical altercation and it is unknown who started or what was the immediate cause of the physical altercation. During the physical altercation, Guy A shot Guy B. Guy A had the legal right to carry a gun. Guy A was injured in the altercation and, at one point, Guy B was observed on top of and beating Guy B. When questioned, Guy A asserted self-defense in fear of life and limb and no witnesses exist to dispute Guy A's assertion.

We can speculate endlessly as to the thought processes of either these guys but, as a society, we can (and should) only punish for the actions taken based on credible evidence. From the facts of the incident, I don't even think you have a manslaughter case under the relevant Florida statutes.

You should be a lawyer. Great post.

this neighborhood watch guy is the ultimate piece of shit. He's in the wrong no question whether the law says so or not, i could careless. He's the typical piece of shit that has nothing better to do than walk around with a gun, bully people, wishing he had some authority over people. He is the reason we need tougher gun laws, b/c people like this with a criminal history such as his shouldnt have guns.

He finally got what which he shoulda got a lonnnnnnggggggggggggg time ago, a good ass whipping. Please believe me, if i was Martin's age and I had some f*cking nut following me around, acting like he was gonna rob or abduct me- I woulda leveled the guy too.

There is justice being served right now by the public and Zimmerman better pray he's charged. Cause he's not gonna be able to set foot in public again in the state of Florida. He better watch his damn back.