Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

griffin is the oil to fry the wings after grossman baked them in his boring oven. griff makes them crispy and desirable

That sh!ts gonna be stupid overcooked if you force the "same wings" assumption. I guess Garcon and Morgan are spring chickens in this instance, maybe that's why they look so appetizing to certain fans ;)

i make buffalo wings for a living. bake before fry is the way

The Garçon contract is big, no doubt, but they expect big things from him but Morgan's contract (reportedly) is written in such a way they can get out of it after this season with minimal cap damage. I'd call him more of Hankerson insurance than a replacement or someone expected to provide the expected impact of Hankerson.

Ideally, I think Shanny sees Garçon over the top and taking crossing routes for big gains, Hankerson as the chain mover across the middle of the field and a red zone target & Morgan in the Gaffney role of 3rd down receiver or can beat an overmatched corner/safety. I don't think there's much expectation for Moss or Gaffney in the plans going forward. If we got Royal, I'm pretty sure Moss would have been cut or would be a June 1 cut because he would become our slot WR.

I can mostly agree w/ the first paragraph. As to the rest, you and I agree this is what Mike/Kyle are grasping for...the difference is I don't believe those three players (Garcon, Hankerson and Morgan) are likely to develop into that overnight if ever, and I hope this time around Mike swallows the pride pill and rethinks the starters so Griffin benefits from better consistency and overall results as a rookie QB w/ the weight of the world on his shoulders.

...i.e. I anticipate another ego vs. practicality/team/results situation, and I'm hopeful w/ the gravity of the decision on his mind Mike chooses Griffin and some combo of Gaffney, Moss, Davis/Cooley and some rotation/combo of Garcon, Hankerson or Morgan.

Something tells me that Fred Davis will be the Redskins most productive receiver in 2012. Without the suspension at season's end, he definitely would have had over 1,000 yards and would have made the pro bowl. If he duplicates half of what he did last year, Fred Davis will be an all pro. I'm expecting huge things from Pierre Garcon but I counting on Leonard Hankerson to be RG3's go to guy. I also expect Gaffney and Moss to be in the mix as well. I don't know how much Chris Cooley and Josh Morgan figures into the offensive passing game, but something tells me they will have their moments during the season.

Is Moss able to turn back the clock as well?
We're all intitled to our opinions.
You attribute Moss decline in production last year to age, I attribute it to injury.

How did his hand injury last year prevent him from gaining YAC and separation from CB and LB?
Does a broken hand's effect on YAC really need to be explained?
Obviously a WR with a broken hand is gonna be effected because his ability to catch the football is effected.
YAC is about catching the ball then making a move.
A WR that is gingerly catching the ball is wasting valuable miliseconds that could be used making a move.

BTW-Its a spurious question anyway because it implies that Moss decline in YAC is a sign of age/decline.
It would be like me making some spurious claim based on Garcon's drop in YAC from 6.1 in 2009 to 2010 to 4.0.
YAC varries from year to year and would you have guessed that Moss and Garcon have the same career YPC.

....We need to realize that Moss isn't a 28 year old burner anymore. He's more likely (even if healthy) to be a 3rd receiver than one of the top 2 WR on the teamMoss isn't as fast as he used to be, but speed doesn't vanish.
Its not like Moss has gone from a 4.3 to a 4.7.
But that is besides the point anyway because even in Moss very productive 2010 season he more as slot WR and a move around guy.
Moss isn't being counted on as an 'explosive' WR but that doesn't mean that he can't be a productive WR.
And lets not forget that scheme knowledge is going to be very important with a rookie QB and 2 WRs new to the scheme.

Jabar Gaffney might not be a #1 receiver, but at times he played like it last year. The guy was money. I've always been a fan of Gaffney. Look for Gaffney to be open underneath all season long while Garcon and Moss go deep.



Gaffney also didn't have Fred Davis the last 4 games so who were we gonna throw to? He's been a Redskin for 1 season, has never had a 1,000 yard season, has been in the league since 2002, is 31 years old, and we have 4 WRs on the roster better than him. I'm including Hankerson before he got hurt was looking good and I see breakout year for him. Gaffney is just another guy. A dime a dozen kind of WR. Name another team Gaffney would start for. **Kat Williams voice: Don't worry I'll wait"**

I think they'll probably keep 7 "wide recievers" with one being a return specialist, but I would expect Banks to get competition for his position. I just don't think that competition is on the roster right now, so I'm going to pretend like he's a roster lock.

'Y' receivers:
1. Fred Davis
2. Logan Paulsen

'H' Recievers
1. Chris Cooley
2. Darrel Young

'X' recievers:
1. Pierre Garcon (Santana Moss last year)
2. Santana Moss (Donte Stallworth last year)
3. Aldrick Robinson
4. Terrence Austin

Z receivers
1. Josh Morgan
2. Leonard Hankerson
3. Anthony Armstrong
4. Niles Paul (has played 'Y', 'F', and 'H')

F ("slot") recievers <Usally replaces the H in the offense (3 WR package)>
1. Santana Moss
2. Terrence Austin (also David Anderson last year)
3. Niles Paul

I studied Kyle's personnel groupings for a couple hours yesterday, and decided that there's a pretty good chance Moss makes the roster. I think he was toast if Eddie Royal had been signed, so obviously, he's hardly a lock to make a roster now, but he's pretty far ahead of Niles Paul, who would be forced into 3 WR duty with the roster as currently constructed.

The Redskins don't use a slot receiver in their offense. The position that plays the highest total number of snaps out of the slot is the 'Z', but the true slot receiver in the offense is Fred Davis. The Redskins don't use Fred Davis like a traditional tight end too often, at least my sense is that they don't overuse him.

They probably don't use Cooley enough, as when they try to get the H involved in the passing game in anything put the bootleg game, it's pretty forced.

If you believe reports, this Morgan vs. Hankerson thing as the critical Z receiver in our offense isn't going to be decided in camp. They'll split starts (not unlike Thomas and Kelly when they were here).

Hankerson, Garcon, and Morgan are locks. Then they need three reserves, and the one that's going to get the LEAST amount of playing time is the third Z. So that's either Niles Paul or Anthony Armstrong, they won't be drafting competition at this position. So the decision (Paul v Armstrong) likely comes down to special teams ability and Armstrong's straight line speed (making him a tough matchup in the passing game) against Paul's superior blocking (making him an impossible matchup in the rushing game).

Then the Redskins will need quality depth at the 'X' position. They can keep Moss, who adds the benefit of having experience at the F position. Or they can ask Gaffney to learn a new position/take on multiple new roles. Knowing the cap situation, it's far more likely that Moss is kept. Gaffney could be a draft-day trade to any team that loses out on the top draft WRs. Try to pick up a day 3 pick or something.

They could keep both Moss and Gaffney, but I don't understand why they would. Gaffney's role from last year has already been flat out replaced, and Moss has already been replaced in the starting lineup. There's still currently a spot for Moss in 3 WR sets and the added bonus to keeping Moss is that if Garcon ever misses time, they can just revert to the 2011 playbook. Gaffney's role has already been given away, so they have to decide between giving offseason reps to a veteran in the last year of his contract learning a new position, or getting rid of him.

Considering he figures to return something in a trade, I would predict he's gone before May 1. The Redskins will certainly trade Moss if they can get a pick for him, but his contract is going to be tough for anyone to take on, so he'll probably play out this season (unless replaced in the draft) and they we'll go from there.

68 pages....some of you guys need to go outside and play.

68 pages....some of you guys need to go outside and play.
now that was funny :lol:

Gaffney also didn't have Fred Davis the last 4 games so who were we gonna throw to? He's been a Redskin for 1 season, has never had a 1,000 yard season, has been in the league since 2002, is 31 years old, and we have 4 WRs on the roster better than him. I'm including Hankerson before he got hurt was looking good and I see breakout year for him. Gaffney is just another guy. A dime a dozen kind of WR. Name another team Gaffney would start for. **Kat Williams voice: Don't worry I'll wait"**

You're right. Hankerson and Garcon are better than Gaffney. But the one thing Gaffney brings to the table is veteran experience. He might just be another receiver as you put it, but the guy has always been underrated. Jabar Gaffney isn't the best WR int he NFL by far, but when he's underestimated, he shows up to play.